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Sandy Hook

I knew there were conspiracy theories that the Sandy Hook massacre was a hoax to promote gun confiscations, but I'd never looked into them.

Friend told me about a banned book called "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook", written by a bunch of different authoritative people such as university professors. (One whom has since been fired because of his views.)

It's got 400 pages of chapters by different people explaining problems with the case. None are frivolous, but some are weak.

Others are strong.

A very compelling issue is that Sandy Hook Elementary was built in 1956 and was in poor condition. In 2002-2008 a series of studies revealed the school was extensively contaminated with asbestos. The school was shut down.

In 2012 when the massacre happened, people in the neighborhood were confused. They didn't know why any kids were in that school that day since it had been shut down years before. Photos support that the school had been abandoned and was not in use.

And in 2013 they demolished the school.

Since then people have submitted FOIA requests to the school district for records of any maintenance done to the school in 2012. There were none. Every school that is in use has maintenance done. Only an abandoned school doesn't. They also requested food service records for the school from 2012. Every school in use has food being delivered to the cafeteria. There were no records. They also checked the wayback machine for the school's website. It had no edits, updates about teachers, etc from 2008 after the asbestos was discovered, until the present.

The evidence is overwhelming that the school was shut down in 2008.

And that's just one chapter in the book.
Permalink Reality Check 
June 11th, 2018 8:43am
Without citations this is all hearsay.
Permalink Alan Dershowitz 
June 11th, 2018 9:31am
As the old saying goes, follow the money right? Sandy Hook was included on Newtown BOE budgets with total annual expenditures for Sandy Hook being in the range of 3 million dollars per year.

There's budget information covering the past 5 years available online as the 2010-2011 budget includes expenditures from 2008-2009.
Permalink B 
June 11th, 2018 9:58am
"Without citations this is all hearsay."

And that is why I gave the citation of where the information is including photographs, documents, thousands of references.

That you choose not to look at or care about it does no make the citations suddenly cease to exist.

That you think it does, and thus do not yet comprehend Object Permanence, means you are at Stage 0 of Piaget's Theory of Development.
Permalink Reality Check 
June 11th, 2018 10:15am

That shows expenditures for 2008-09 the school year the asbestos was found. It's not contested there were students there then.

It shows proposed allocations for the 2009-10 and 2010-11 years.

Where are the actual expenditures for the 2012-2013 school year which is when the "shooting" happened?
Permalink Reality Check 
June 11th, 2018 10:18am
>thousands of references.

Permalink Alan Dershowitz 
June 11th, 2018 10:33am
A public school being closed isn't big news but it's kind of sticky local lore that anyone in the immediate area in that district who is aware of the school will know about. When my old high school was closed in 2011 there were articles in the paper and public announcements, and there was activity on Facebook as the locals were invited to one last walk-through before demolition.

The point is until you reconstruct a timeline of the closure from available public sources, you don't have all of the facts.

So this issue needs to be researched in local news coverage, social media, and by canvassing locals and asking them to comment.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
June 11th, 2018 10:47am
>>thousands of references.


<<< Crickets... >>>
Permalink Alan Dershowitz 
June 11th, 2018 12:01pm
No guns were ever confiscated. Obama made a tearful speech on TV and then did nothing.
Permalink MS 
June 11th, 2018 2:07pm
No crickets, you pathetic faggot. Drag your HIV and herpes diseased asshole somewhere else to troll.

I gave the citations in my post. You then kept asking for them, knowing I already gave them. There is no point to continuing to respond.

A: 2+2=4
B: So are you going to tell us what 2+2 is or not?
A: I just did.
B: When are you going to tell us?
B: Crickets! Crickets! I thought so!
Permalink Reality Check 
June 11th, 2018 3:48pm
>I gave the citations in my post


You mentioned a book that may or may not exist.



Simple questions you seem incapable of answering.
Permalink Alan Dershowitz 
June 11th, 2018 4:22pm
It might seem hard to believe, but I think this is literally the point in which CoT has jumped the shark.
Permalink Almost Anonymous 
June 12th, 2018 12:32am
Permalink WikiBot 
June 12th, 2018 1:01am
Permalink Reality Check 
June 12th, 2018 7:05am

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