RIP Philo

No fiber speeds for me

When they brought fiber into the apartment a few years ago, they put the fiber drop in the bedroom.  WTF.

I would have had to run a cat-5 out the bedroom, down the hall past the bath, and into the living room to get the 1 gbps speeds where I needed them. 

Or just deal with 350 mbps speeds from the 5 GHz WiFi band. Which in an apartment community is congested and I won't even get that.

Bummer.
Ended up keeping the 200 mbps Spectrum service.
Permalink xampl9 
June 9th, 2018 1:24pm
Are you saying they ran an actual fibre-optic cable into your bedroom itself?

I've never seen direct fibre-optic connections. Or a consumer cable modem that could handle that.

I have coaxial, which connects to the cable modem, and that to the router via Cat-5. So when you say you have "cat-5 fibre-optic" my reaction is "WTF? Do you know what you are talking about? Or is there some weird new cat-5 fibre optic hybrid"?

I really don't know.

Basically cable speed here is OK most of the time but becomes shit if more than one person starts a download.
Permalink Reality Check 
June 9th, 2018 2:37pm
"I'd have to run cable out the bedroom, down the hall past the bath, and into the living room"

Look into powerline networking instead. You transmit locally over the power cables, at better than wireless speed.

"to get the 1 gbps speeds where I needed them"

I doubt the existence of consumer 1 gbps. I hear people talking about this sort of thing all the time.

Tested just now. Have 20Mbps download, 3Mbps upload. Direct connected wired.

You "need" 1gbps for upload and download, which is 50 times faster than my download and 333 times faster than my upload.

Why do you "need" this for a consumer connection?

Here's why I need faster speeds: for a server. But that's not a consumer scenario, right?

Are you hoping to run high performance 1TB net connection out of your domestic consumer $25/mo connection?

That's not going to happen, and if you think it should, explain why?

For that speed, and above, I rent space on a rack.
Permalink Reality Check 
June 9th, 2018 2:43pm
I had thought it was fiber-to-the-curb, where the building has a equipment box that takes the fiber and converts it to run over phone lines like DSL.  But no, it's actually fiber-to-the-premises where each apartment gets their own fiber optic cable.

Only, they ran it to the bedroom for some odd reason.

The installer & I checked to see if the phone wiring in the wall was Cat-5 (so the output of the fiber modem could be run internal to the walls over to where a reasonable person would install a computer or entertainment system), but it's not - it's plain old 4-wire red/black/yellow/green like they used in the 1950's.  So can't run Ethernet over it at any kind of speed (if at all).
Permalink xampl9 
June 9th, 2018 2:44pm
I don't "need" it. I want it.

Other people with the service report ~900 Mbps both ways (it's symmetric, not asymmetric like DOCSIS or ADSL), which is close-enough for me.

I'm actually more concerned about latency than raw speed - once you get "fast" it's fast-enough (except for bragging rights like I want).  Right now I get about 30ms ping times for World of Warcraft and I wouldn't want to go much above 50ms.
Permalink xampl9 
June 9th, 2018 2:47pm
"it's actually fiber-to-the-premises where each apartment gets their own fiber optic cable"

That's absolutely fucking amazing!!!

I never heard of fibre actually into the premises.

It's astonishing. But yeah, fairly impractical unless we can find fibre cable modems....

https://www.amazon.com/slp/fiber-optic-modem/yzzv4tknmk9c6w3


Well, FUCK ME, it exists.
Permalink Reality Check 
June 9th, 2018 2:55pm
"I don't "need" it. I want it."

You and me both buddy. Maybe my response is part jealousy.

If I can get a fucking actual T1 line into my actual fucking house and pay $25/mo for it I'm fucking canceling all my server contracts and running everything off of a cluster of 20 RPis that draw a total of 480W.
Permalink Reality Check 
June 9th, 2018 2:58pm
Dude you got a T1 line coming out of your wall. Just pay the $50 for an optical cable modem. That is what I would do if I was a LUCKY BASTARD like you with a god damn T1 line coming into my house.

If I've misunderstood something, please clarify.
Permalink Reality Check 
June 9th, 2018 3:01pm
T-1 lines are slow old shit.  1.544 Mbps

They were considered fast back when I had ISDN service in the 90's.
Permalink xampl9 
June 9th, 2018 3:37pm
Cool so I have a 2x T1 line on upload and a 13x T1 line on download.

What more could I need.

My rack servers support 1Gbps for sure. But they are not running off a line to my residence.

How would that even be possible.

Draw a diagram showing how the 200,000 people in your metro area can all have 1Gbps.
Permalink Reality Check 
June 9th, 2018 3:46pm
"I don't "need" it. I want it."

Why do you want it?
Permalink Reality Check 
June 9th, 2018 3:49pm
There's no doubt that the service is oversubscribed. If everyone started up a torrent at the same time, they wouldn't get the advertised rate.  But then, all the different ISPs are oversubscribed - it's how they can afford to operate at a profit.

I think I figured out why the line was in the bedroom - it's an inside wall. The installer did it so he wouldn't have to run it down through the insulation.
Permalink xampl9 
June 9th, 2018 3:52pm
> I never heard of fibre actually into the premises.

I have optical fibre running into my loungeroom. A modem is mounted on the wall, with cable jacks and wi-fi.