Y'all are a bunch of wankers!

Age discrimination and the gig economy.

When did it start? I guess Globalization was the reason? I remember years ago we value older workers because the immense experience they possess. Imagine welding or metal working? You want the old hands to guide you. Now, we say we want the young kids out of college and slinging JavaScript.

Is that why software industry so fucked up?
Permalink DrNo 
April 11th, 2018 11:49am
When they're young and stupid you can convince them to work 60+ hours a week by giving them free lunches and video games.

They are also less likely to question stupid management decisions.

When they get older and have wives and kids they start needing  to have a more 'normal' life.
Permalink Victoria Nilima 
April 11th, 2018 11:53am
I think it's based strictly on outcomes. You just don't need that much experience to write good enough code that works for the purpose at hand. And kids are always cheapest to hire. There simply isn't that much rocket science around to work on today.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
April 11th, 2018 12:13pm
The value of knowledge/experience is limited by the frameworks/languages/libraries being changed every few years.
Permalink Zaurbek Lyudmila 
April 11th, 2018 12:20pm
I guess CNC machines also eliminated the need for experienced workers in machine tools too.
Permalink DrNo 
April 11th, 2018 12:25pm
The time span for manual machines before CNC machines was long enough for workers to spend a lifetime working on them.

Developments have sped up around 10x since then.
Permalink Medraut Torsten 
April 11th, 2018 12:33pm
>The value of knowledge/experience is limited by the frameworks/languages/libraries being changed every few years.

Pretty much this. That said, I have no clue what the term "software industry" (that the original poster used) is suppose to represent/mean.

Generally speaking, a particular business will value an older worker but only if their knowledge and prior work experience is relevant to their particular need(s).
Permalink One Programmer's Opinion 
April 11th, 2018 1:31pm
Software sector/industry means software and software related is their main product/services.
Permalink DrNo 
April 11th, 2018 1:33pm
Facebook, Google, MS, Amazon vs Boeing, John Deere, Coca Cola.
Permalink DrNo 
April 11th, 2018 1:34pm
Software is eating the world.
Permalink Ubfyed 
April 11th, 2018 1:37pm
Who will eat software?
Permalink DrNo 
April 11th, 2018 1:46pm
Self improving AI.

It only takes one.
Permalink Ubfyed 
April 11th, 2018 1:48pm
I would say you need another 50-100 years. AI is impressive but it isn't there yet. Even this guy has problem to create AI that is 90% good.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/
Permalink DrNo 
April 11th, 2018 1:51pm
30 years at the most
Permalink Ubfyed 
April 11th, 2018 1:52pm
In the mean time, he is selling you some service for cheap x million people = million dollars business.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/pro/pricing/students
Permalink DrNo 
April 11th, 2018 1:53pm
> I think it's based strictly on outcomes.

I don't think so; I can write software in a fraction of the time that these new-out-of-college kids can write.  And my works and is on time.  If it was based on outcomes, then old farts would be in demand.

> You just don't need that much experience to write good enough code that works for the purpose at hand. And kids are always cheapest to hire.

They're definitely cheap and literally nobody knows what programmers do so take the cheap ones.
Permalink Send private email Almost Anonymous 
April 11th, 2018 3:22pm
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Permalink Algernon Montgomery 
April 11th, 2018 4:11pm
> You just don't need that much experience to write good enough code that works for the purpose at hand

Agreed, deep skills are not valued by employers/clients which is why I started a law degree years ago.

My thinking now is that I will end up in policy-making rather than legal practice.
Permalink ,ndo 
April 11th, 2018 5:29pm
Policy making?
Permalink Algernon Montgomery 
April 12th, 2018 3:07am
What happens when EVERYONE decides to go into policy making?
Permalink Marius Moga 
April 12th, 2018 7:58am
Everyone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c
Permalink YouTubeBot 
April 12th, 2018 7:59am
Thank you for that memory, great film.
Permalink ,ndo 
April 12th, 2018 4:09pm
While still a great film, the longer, uncut European version is slightly creepy being much more explicit about the relationship.
Permalink Algernon Montgomery 
April 12th, 2018 4:47pm

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