Give ne back my hat!

I disputed the full amount charged by the shady auto shop

A temporary credit for the payments should show up in a few days and then the credit card company will investigate.  I was unable to go into detail on the form as they limit the # of characters you can enter.  I was not able to get anywhere near the amount of detail that I wanted to add to the form.  Perhaps I should print out a letter with all of the details and pictures and send to them?

I have not written the poor review yet.  Debating whether or not to go back to the shop and ask the manager to make things right.  I will imagine they will be pissed and refuse to work with me at all once they get word of the chargeback.  I did find the owner's contact info online (e-mail address and home address).  Perhaps I should just go over the manager's head (who will likely just give me the run around again) and type the owner a letter?  This is what worked with me in a previous dispute with a dealership when I purchased my vehicle.  If I threaten further action, he might be receptive to making a deal.

Is there any way that they can repossess or put a lien on my car if the charge back goes through?  They could try to reverse course and sue me for non-payment and try to make it look like I am ripping them off!
Permalink ripped off 
December 4th, 2017 11:02am
I guess they can fight with the credit card company and get the money or not. If that goes to not, then they can sue you. Feels unlikely
Permalink Bunker 
December 4th, 2017 11:04am
Yes, ask a bunch of programmers about legal matters. Don't worry, we'll make something up that sounds logical... :P

Filing a mechanic's lien is often mentioned but is a lot of paperwork and the preconditions have to be just-so (like there had to be an extremely well understood and well defined deliverable or result, and you had to sign off on everything.) A contractor I know says that in his 20+ years of business he's never done it because it's too hard.

Much more likely they'd just sue you in small claims to collect whatever you charged back successfully. I'm guessing they would just write it off at that point.

Bad karma all around.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
December 4th, 2017 11:10am
Also for a vehicle to file a mechanic's lien they'd need your VIN. There are no online databases open to the public to look up car titles, unlike real estate.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
December 4th, 2017 11:11am
> Yes, ask a bunch of programmers about legal matters. Don't worry, we'll make something up that sounds logical... :P

LOL

> Filing a mechanic's lien is often mentioned but is a lot of paperwork and the preconditions have to be just-so (like there had to be an extremely well understood and well defined deliverable or result, and you had to sign off on everything.) A contractor I know says that in his 20+ years of business he's never done it because it's too hard.

They never provided me with a written estimate.  It was all verbal, except for my third trip back when they already knew the PCV was jacked up.

> Much more likely they'd just sue you in small claims to collect whatever you charged back successfully. I'm guessing they would just write it off at that point.

But they would have to bill me and/or notify me first, right?  I can file in small claims as well.  If it were up to me, I'd just get with them and we compromise on our own but the shop manager seemed justified in his decisions when I questioned him after the 2nd and 3rd visit.

> Bad karma all around.

The guy was actually polite and friendly, but that was probably just an act.  I wish it did not have to come to this but they could have made things right on my 2nd visit if they were reasonable.  A customer should not have to threaten them with legal action to get results.
Permalink ripped off 
December 4th, 2017 11:17am
> Also for a vehicle to file a mechanic's lien they'd need your VIN. There are no online databases open to the public to look up car titles, unlike real estate.

They got it.  It's on the billing statements.
Permalink ripped off 
December 4th, 2017 11:17am
Another reason why the manager probably can't do anything:

After I went to pick up my car the first time, I asked for a AAA discount which said he couldn't do since the the charge was already locked in.  He said I should have told him in advance.  He may not even have the authority to give a refund, but that's hard to believe, since he is the manager.
Permalink ripped off 
December 4th, 2017 11:19am
Pro tip:

Issue all instructions in writing

Demand all quotes in writing
Permalink Poi 
December 4th, 2017 11:19am
I had to get to work that day.  He said they needed to hold onto it for a few hours before they could look at it, and then gave me the quote over the phone.  I will keep that in mind in the future.
Permalink ripped off 
December 4th, 2017 11:22am
When you file a dispute the credit card company always gives you a temporary credit while they investigate.

In the investigation they look at evidence that you tried to resolve the matter with the merchant first, but he refused.

Since you did not try to resolve the matter at all, most likely the matter will be resolved in favor of the merchant and then closed.
Permalink Reality Check 
December 4th, 2017 11:53am
"Is there any way that they can repossess or put a lien on my car if the charge back goes through?"

The charge back won't go through.

If it does, sure, I'd put a lien on your car.
Permalink Reality Check 
December 4th, 2017 11:54am
"Also for a vehicle to file a mechanic's lien they'd need your VIN. There are no online databases open to the public to look up car titles"

All mechanics I've ever been to write the VIN on the invoice. It's on your windshield, it's on the inside of your door, etc.
Permalink Reality Check 
December 4th, 2017 11:55am
> Since you did not try to resolve the matter at all, most likely the matter will be resolved in favor of the merchant and then closed.

Did not try to resolve the issue at all?  Did you read the part that said I questioned the amount I was charged while I was there last week?  You're saying that I should go back yet again to speak to the same manager and/or write a letter to the owner?  That is what I am trying to figure out, which is the best approach to take.

> If it does, sure, I'd put a lien on your car.

Why is that?  They are the ones that screwed me over.
Permalink ripped off 
December 4th, 2017 11:58am
You brought this whole thing on yourself by being a pussy.

Pussies don't resolve situations by confrontation.

Your best option was to walk away and learn from the experience.

Your best option now is to forget all about it for a random time and then destroy them.

You fucked up.
Permalink Major Mark Cunningham 
December 4th, 2017 12:01pm
> Your best option was to walk away and learn from the experience.

That is the pussy route.
Permalink ripped off 
December 4th, 2017 12:04pm
...which is why it was your best option.

A good man knows his limitations.
Permalink Major Mark Cunningham 
December 4th, 2017 12:07pm
Ok expert, how would you have resolved it?
Permalink ripped off 
December 4th, 2017 12:08pm
Yo, they got your money for a service. You can't turn around and not paying.

Sure you can go to the judge and say: this hooker promised to blow me but she didn't. She took my money before grabbing my crotch. That's all I got your honor: just a grab.
Permalink Bibimbap 
December 4th, 2017 12:09pm
Your fault:

1. You didn't check for reviews of this hooker.
2. You didn't do research on this hooker.

Now you're a bitch!
Permalink Bibimbap 
December 4th, 2017 12:14pm
Crying over spilt milk is a complete waste of time.

You're a pussy

You don't accept what you are

Your only remaining path is transformation

Destroy them
Permalink Major Mark Cunningham 
December 4th, 2017 12:16pm
My advice to you? few hundred bucks are not worth your time to litigate. Lawyers charge at least 250 bucks per hour on retainer.
Permalink Bibimbap 
December 4th, 2017 12:16pm
For the avoidance of doubt

  I don't mean legally
Permalink Major Mark Cunningham 
December 4th, 2017 12:18pm
Move on, trolls.
Permalink ripped off 
December 4th, 2017 12:23pm
Trolls? You are the one who is going to waste time and resources over 250 bucks. That is loose change for me.
Permalink Bibimbap 
December 4th, 2017 12:30pm
I'm going to enjoy my Bibimbap meal while watching you sweat over 250 bucks. That is what I spend on a dinner date.
Permalink Bibimbap 
December 4th, 2017 12:31pm
It is actually $600.  $400 repair ended up costing $1000 plus wasted time

Read before you respond
Permalink ripped off 
December 4th, 2017 12:41pm
For your transformation you need to set some limits:

  $100

  10 hours of your time

      To exact your revenge


Baby steps
Permalink Major Mark Cunningham 
December 4th, 2017 12:59pm
1K? That's a lot of money to buy hamburgers or 1K packs of Ramen noodles.

Cunningham, can you give us a list of things you can buy with 1K?
Permalink Bibimbap 
December 4th, 2017 1:08pm
I said

  $100

NOT

  $1,0000
Permalink Major Mark Cunningham 
December 5th, 2017 3:27am
Cunningham, make the list please
Permalink DJT 
December 5th, 2017 9:30am

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