Give ne back my hat!

Figured out what business I want to start

EV conversions for the masses!

Figure out best practices and procedures for turning used cars that people are ready to junk into electric vehicles that can run forever.

Tesla and others are going to roll out new cars that are EVs but that does nothing to stop the 1.2 billion cars already on the planet from polluting.

There are a few companies that will retrofit EVs but they do it on a boutique sports/kitch level.  I'd like to work towards making it practical.

The price point I want to hit is for less than the cost of fixing a blown head gasket, you could just delete the internal combustion system entirely on your getting-around-town vehicle.

There's a lot I don't know, but plenty of people who are about as smart as me have figured out each of these pieces.  Why not take a stab at it myself.

Pretty exciting personal goals this would hit for me

(1) fight climate change: both directly for each ICE car taken off the road, and indirectly by advancing best practices on EV conversions

(2) recycling used cars

(3) gives me an excuse to learn more about assembling batteries and also work towards developing my dream grid-flexible solar power setup

(4) work towards developing better control logic systems. current crop is based on imperative languages which are fucking stupid for modeling this class of problem

Oh yeah maybe it would make money too.  But basically if it broke even that would be great too.  Could probably attract a reasonable amount of partners and investors.  This is too cool not to pique a diverse set of interests.

First steps: watch a fuckton of YouTube videos and figure out what used car I want to start with.

Capital expenditure to start should be under $10k, plus some carrying costs to find a work space and deck it out.

Woot!
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
December 3rd, 2017 6:42pm
Cool. Not really a business, more of a hobby.
Permalink X 
December 3rd, 2017 6:54pm
wabi - invest in my stock trading company for a share of profits.
Permalink Y 
December 3rd, 2017 6:55pm
Sounds cool. I hope you can turn this into a business.

Youtube videos are great, but get some electro-chemistry textbooks pronto.

Want me to hit up my chemistry professor buddy?
Permalink Shylock 
December 3rd, 2017 6:56pm
Wabi - I can make you somewhere between 500-2K per month.
Permalink Y 
December 3rd, 2017 6:58pm
I like the idea of reusing old cars. Sure beats "Cash for Clunkers".
Permalink NPR 
December 3rd, 2017 6:58pm
No capital loss. All goes back to you when you say you are out.
Permalink Y 
December 3rd, 2017 6:58pm
> I like the idea of reusing old cars. Sure beats "Cash for Clunkers".

You've got some fucking balls mentioning on tiny $3 billion dollar stimulus during the largest recession since the depression and never not once mentioning the CHIP reauthorization.
Permalink X 
December 3rd, 2017 7:02pm
> Wabi - I can make you somewhere between 500-2K per month.

I already make more than that on passive investing.  Thanks for offering.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
December 3rd, 2017 7:12pm
Bam! Wabi just dunked on you! You poor fucking loser. ZZZZZOOM!
Permalink X 
December 3rd, 2017 7:14pm
@X: I don't know what the two things have to do with each other.

Destroying functioning cars to stimulate the purchase of additional cars on credit that people don't need and will end up trading in in a few years -- at great expense to the environment -- is a waste of taxpayer money.
Permalink NPR 
December 3rd, 2017 7:27pm
> Cool. Not really a business, more of a hobby.

If the business positions itself as an authority on economical EV conversions it'll be a real business.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
December 3rd, 2017 7:30pm
@NPR

It sure was. Small money. Stop wasting time on bullshit.

You're worrying about a few thousand cars from a decade ago.

Wake up. Clinton years are over.

CHIP is now.
Permalink X 
December 3rd, 2017 7:34pm
One thing to check out is how to dispose of old batteries.
Permalink Shylock 
December 3rd, 2017 7:36pm
I think the way to keep costs down and earn mad green cred is find a way to cost effectively upcyclw batteries people are disposing.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
December 3rd, 2017 7:45pm
@X: You're the one politicizing this discussion. The only reason I mentioned CFC is it's directly related to Wabi's repurposing of old cars.

I had to google it to remind myself because I thought that was a Bush era stimulus program.
Permalink NPR 
December 3rd, 2017 8:00pm
Okay carry on then. I’m an idiot. Standing down....
Permalink X 
December 3rd, 2017 8:31pm
The masses want gasoline!
Permalink Bluebeard 
December 3rd, 2017 9:55pm
If I can buy a petrol car for £300 - £500, why would I want to spend £10,000 on an EV?
Permalink Grumpy Old Git 
December 4th, 2017 1:48am
https://www.electricclassiccars.co.uk/
Permalink libtard_uk 
December 4th, 2017 2:24am
Cashing in on virtue signalling rich idiots could be a USP.

But if you need to know the price, you can't afford it.
Permalink Zaq 
December 4th, 2017 4:16am
Holy fuck, are you kidding me. This is the ultimate mental jacking off business fantasy.

From Libtard_uk's link, the resume of one of the founders:

Graham Swann

Graham is a Graduate Electrical Electronic Engineer experienced in the Industrial Control and Automation field here in the UK, Europe and South East Asia. He has applied all his knowledge of high power AC & DC drives and controls to give our cars the most amazing performance and upmost reliability.

Wabi, you see those qualifications? EE degree, experience in controls and automation, and has worked with high power electric motors. Design, tuning, sizing to load, etc.

Those are a thing just as DB or admin is a thing.

> I'd like to work towards making it practical.

> The price point I want to hit is for less than the cost of fixing a blown head gasket,

You wish.... Unless someone had mass production of conversion kits I just don't see it for a one off service.

> Could probably attract a reasonable amount of partners and investors. 

You'd better have that auto controls, EE talent set on deck before looking for money.

And a working prototype that you can show your investors the cost figures.

From your other thread:

> Something that would take less than six figures of capital to get off of the ground and isn't so absurdly specialized that it's impossible to find partners.

This is about as far removed from this definition as possible.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
December 4th, 2017 11:24am
Wabi, maybe you'd come up with a series of DIY kits. The hardware, tools, shop recommendations for tearing down the conventional engine, and most important, consulting services to help the poor schmucks who buy the kit.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
December 4th, 2017 11:31am
With autonomous vehicles:

Personal ownership will become obsolete
The great majority of vehicles will be single seaters
Permalink Robert Llewellyn 
December 4th, 2017 11:44am
Wabi has been infected with software bug. This software bug created an illusion that a software guy can do almost anything since he programmed "hello world".

Wabi can get rid of this software bug in his brain by auditing a few engineering classes at least at 300 or above level.
Permalink Bibimbap 
December 4th, 2017 1:55pm
Hooking up some servers/cable and writing Unix script isn't engineering.
Permalink Bibimbap 
December 4th, 2017 1:55pm
Thanks for your valuable and intelligent feedback, WildRiver.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
December 4th, 2017 5:03pm
> Holy fuck, are you kidding me. This is the ultimate mental jacking off business fantasy.

Do you use this same overly-cynical voice to talk yourself out of doing things too?

Explains a lot.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
December 4th, 2017 6:21pm
Wabi, I think we mutually agreed here a few days ago that discussing entrepreneurial ideas of any kind online and especially on a board like this is a really crappy idea. It's less of a crucible of refinement and much more of a firehouse  of cynicism dousing out a spark of a perhaps worthwhile concept. I'm as much of an asshole as anyone else at ruining someone else's momentum.

Do or do not, there is no try.... really.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
December 4th, 2017 9:01pm
" cynicism dousing out a spark of a perhaps worthwhile concept."

+1. This.
Permalink NPR 
December 5th, 2017 10:29am
Many successes weren't first...

  Google
  Facebook
  SpaceX
  AOL
  ...

Many firsts weren't successes...

  Wright bros
  MySpace
  ...
Permalink Zaq 
December 5th, 2017 10:44am
However, I still believe that Wabi's concept is a terrible one person startup idea, especially if you're coming into it without any specialized knowledge (cars, drivetrains, power conversion, AC and DC motors, battery technology, et al) and without a qualified partner. It would be barely within reach if you did have some or most of those skill sets under your belt.

If you put any idea out on a programmer's forum, someone is invariably going to tell you that it's a bad idea.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
December 5th, 2017 12:45pm
can Wabi be a successful pimp in San Jose, CA? There is a huge market for that.
Permalink BibimbapClinton 
December 6th, 2017 10:12am
Technology recruiter. That's pimping but legal.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
December 6th, 2017 12:30pm

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