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Bill Clinton's sex crimes

Hillary has publicly stated that all claims by women should be believed unconditionally.

What could go wrong?
Permalink Qaz 
November 14th, 2017 2:50pm
Did she?
Permalink Yoda 
November 14th, 2017 4:31pm
Yes, she did:

https://youtu.be/CjAkoyHnZiE

Although I understand the video has been deleted from her website.
Permalink Qaz 
November 14th, 2017 4:46pm
> Hillary has publicly stated that all claims by women should be believed unconditionally.

> You have a right to be believed.


What's it like to be a lying sack of shit, Qaz?
Permalink X 
November 14th, 2017 5:20pm
>Hillary has publicly stated that all claims by women should be believed unconditionally.

What she neglected to mention is "...but only if they are not accusing my husband of sexual harassment or assault".
Permalink One Programmer's Opinion 
November 14th, 2017 5:26pm
This is like a bad penny:

https://www.thenation.com/article/starr-and-willey-untold-story/

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/joe-conason-truth-donald-trump-old-mud-article-1.2652509

Fucking liberal writers feel that they need to jump on the band wagon and can't do 2 minutes of googling.
Permalink Shylock 
November 14th, 2017 5:54pm
Lol
Permalink MS 
November 14th, 2017 8:15pm
Shylock, what is your point? That Bill was clean?
Permalink Yoda 
November 15th, 2017 3:06am
No. He was a pig. I wouldn't want any of my daughters to work for him. But his affairs were consensual things, he didn't rape anyone. And what consenting adults do with their own money on their own time is none of my, or anyone else's fucking business.

I wished Anthony Weiner had said that when Breitbart (the actual guy) reported what he saw through the keyhole.

In particular Monica has said repeatedly that it was completely consensual on her part.
Permalink Shylock 
November 15th, 2017 5:39am
BTW, The Nation is and was a socialist magazine. I actually got the issue that the Willey investigation was printed in.
Permalink Shylock 
November 15th, 2017 5:40am
Years of excusing Bill Clinton’s sexual misconduct suddenly seems morally indefensible.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/14/roy-moore-allegations-bill-clinton-democrats-215825

The new version was, “the personal is political unless the person in question embraces my politics.”

Clinton himself raised this argument when he told his cabinet in August of 1998 that his earlier assurances of innocence in the Lewinsky affair were false. His Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala, upbraided him for his conduct, and noted that had he been a professor at the university she once ran, he would have been bounced for such conduct.

To which Clinton replied, according to the Washington Post, “that if her logic had prevailed in 1960, Richard M. Nixon would have been elected president instead of John F. Kennedy.”

This is, you may recognize, the mirror image of the argument Trump’s supporters made to skeptics, and what Moore’s supporters are making even as their man takes serious incoming fire. The political defense of Moore goes like this: “If Moore loses, that’s one less vote for tax cuts, conservative judges, traditional values. (Well, they might want to shelve that one). We can’t let our problems with personal conduct override the enormous political stakes.”
Permalink X 
November 15th, 2017 6:08am
That's the thing. Is it misconduct to conduct a consensual affair?
Permalink Shylock 
November 15th, 2017 7:25am
Bill's affair with Monica wast exactly two consenting adults engaging in a mutually rewarding relationship. There was a wildly inappropriate power structure at play.
Permalink MS 
November 15th, 2017 8:49am
Some people are into those kind of things. I don't judge.

In any event it wasn't rape, and it really wasn't our business.
Permalink Shylock 
November 15th, 2017 9:01am
It wasn't rape. But It would be grounds for dismissal in any number of organizations.
Permalink MS 
November 15th, 2017 9:20am
> But It would be grounds for dismissal in any number of organizations.

The organisations that favour tight mind control.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
November 15th, 2017 9:23am
It definitely wasn't a good idea.
Permalink Shylock 
November 15th, 2017 10:43am
It was an abuse of power.
Permalink Yoda 
November 15th, 2017 3:09pm
This conversation is a perfect example of the extreme partisanship of US politics.

Democrats like Shylock believe in every accusation against Trump and defend every action of Clinton.

Republicans like Idiot believe in every accusation against Clinton and defend every action of Trump.
Permalink Yoda 
November 15th, 2017 3:34pm
I don't defend everything either Clinton or Obama has done.
Permalink Shylock's Phone 
November 15th, 2017 5:36pm
Such a prude.
Permalink Shylock's Phone 
November 15th, 2017 5:38pm
Last I knew, being a dick wasn't a crime.

If it was, we'd all be posting from jail.
Permalink Shylock's Phone 
November 15th, 2017 5:41pm
He is not a dick, he is a sexual predator.
Permalink Yoda 
November 15th, 2017 7:06pm
I think it’s a mischaracterization of Idiot in Yoda’s post.
Permalink X 
November 15th, 2017 7:31pm
Do you think that every man who tries to get into someone else's pants is a predator?
Permalink Shylock 
November 15th, 2017 7:33pm
If he's a handsome hunk then he's just flirting, if he's an ugly fucker then he's a predator.
Permalink April Beyer 
November 16th, 2017 12:57am
"Do you think that every man who tries to get into someone else's pants is a predator?"

No. But if he tries to get into the pants of one of his subordinates, then he is a sexual predator. If he gropes a woman, then he is a sexual predator. Etc.
Permalink Yoda 
November 16th, 2017 6:31pm
>But if he tries to get into the pants of one of his subordinates, then he is a sexual predator.

Not necessarily.

Unless you think that women are children incapable of adult agency.
Permalink Shylock 
November 16th, 2017 7:41pm
That's not the point, Shylock. The point is that he has power over them.

Adult agency alone doesn't pay the bills.
Permalink Yoda 
November 17th, 2017 6:37pm
Anyway, rape is definitely the behaviour of a sexual predator, and Juanita Broderick's accusations seem credible also to liberal commentators: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/opinion/juanita-broaddrick-bill-clinton.html
Permalink Yoda 
November 17th, 2017 6:39pm

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