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When is an amnesty not an amnesty

The U.K. Has just announced an amnesty on guns...

...but you'll still be arrested if the gun is linked to a crime.
Permalink Ze 
November 13th, 2017 1:50am
That's fair enough. An amnesty for ownership of guns, not crimes committed by them.

If I were a crim though, I'd just destroy it by fire or acid or throw it in a river. I wouldn't trust the police.
Permalink Tristin 
November 13th, 2017 2:19am
There was a case in the UK recently where a teenager was looking after a friends illegal gun. His parents discovered it and took it to the police whereupon the police arrested and charged their son.

If they had marched him to the police station to hand it in he would have been OK.
Permalink libtard_uk 
November 13th, 2017 3:46am
Since possession of the gun is a crime the gun is linked to, this sounds like a trap.
Permalink Reality Check 
November 13th, 2017 4:04am
Not necessarily.

Oz gun amnesties net sawnoffs and handguns, even subbies among less remarkable forfeits. If prosecutions ensued, any future amnesties would simply fail.
Permalink trollop 
November 13th, 2017 6:21am
I don't agree. You don't know what is going on behind the scenes. If you participate, your name is going on a secret list of people they are going to be looking at.

Even with the US Census, they promise all your private info will only be used for census purposes, and not shared with other agencies, and have laws mandating that.

And then after 9/11 the feds march into the census and say hand us all your files, we are interested in finding out the current whereabouts of all people of middle eastern people descent in the US so we can see how many are illegals, which radicals live near each other etc, and the census handed that all over and didn't even say "Hey no, that's illegal." or insist on a warrant or anything.

Same thing with these guns. Something happens, you're suspect number one. Family member gets shot? It was probably you since hey a while back you admitted to owning an illegal gun.
Permalink Reality Check 
November 13th, 2017 6:30am
Um, you don't have that gun no more - that's the whole point.

But then you're where you are, and I'm where I prefer to be.
Permalink trollop 
November 13th, 2017 7:56am
No, you don't get it.

You've confessed to being an illegal gun owner. The most hated sort of criminal. You're on a list as a known criminal who has illegally possessed illegal guns. So when someone gets shot close to you, you are the #1 suspect. You probably did it with one of the illegal guns you didn't turn in. Or a new illegal gun you acquired somehow.
Permalink Reality Check 
November 13th, 2017 8:06am
And of course if they cannot find a gun matching the weapon used they will find one in the immense stockpile of forfeit contraband to plant in your bedroom.

I can't remember anyone ever being shot dead in my experience apart from Uncle Cecil, who Mum told me was found dead halfway through a farm fence holding a shotgun he used on crows. In 1934.

I'll take my chances with our cops.  You can keep yours.
Permalink trollop 
November 13th, 2017 8:20am
If you hold a gun illegally, why would you want to turn it on in the first place? That's besides RP's point of getting "on their list". And by the way you always, *always* get on their list, no matter what place on this Earth.
Permalink Io 
November 13th, 2017 9:55am
Because you don't want to keep a gun that could be discovered by the cops or by the kids.
Permalink trollop 
November 13th, 2017 3:34pm
Trollop, you missed the point. A river bottom is highly preferred over turning it in.
Permalink Legion 
November 13th, 2017 4:45pm
Yes, river bottom, or burial, or disassemble and dispose in pieces.

Or even anonymously sell it to a criminal who needs an untraceable weapon.

For those still confused. Consider if they said there was an amnesty for confessing to murder. So Bob confesses to an old murder and they say hey that's OK. Then a year later the old lady next door to Bob is killed. You're the detective. Who is the main suspect here?
Permalink Reality Check 
November 13th, 2017 5:04pm
Slippery slope / whatiffery from a master hooker and vendor of very smelly red herrings.
Permalink trollop 
November 13th, 2017 9:51pm
Please answer the question. Thanks.
Permalink Reality Check 
November 13th, 2017 10:04pm
The following shows why the citizens of the US are confused by the concept of a gun buyback program, given their feeble, uncoordinated  isolated and relatively ineffectual attempts to date:

ONG. Arizona sort of missed the point entirely - enjoy your NRA overlords all of you targets.
Permalink trollop 
November 13th, 2017 10:07pm

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