Give ne back my hat!

Is May's government about to fall?

She seems like such a fuck up. How in the world did she can Patel for trying to help Syrian refugees?
Permalink Shylock 
November 9th, 2017 4:45pm
They have a procedure for meeting Netanyahu to avoid bribery. Patel broke it and (reportedly) lied to the PM about it.

Or maybe it was some internal power play. Who knows.
Permalink Yoda 
November 9th, 2017 7:32pm
Ah. Do you Boris will replace her, or will this thing just collapse and then my favorite Briton will become PM?
Permalink Shylock 
November 9th, 2017 7:38pm
Also, occupied territories are sensitive and require core government level. Patel overstepped her authorities.

Must be hard to have both May and Boris as leading in policies. And she thought she could add her own private agenda to that mix.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
November 9th, 2017 7:41pm
Israel is not the UK's beacon in these uncertain times.

I think they are pretty low on the urgency list.

When Boris bashes Iran today, it is because of the Saudi's, not Israel.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
November 9th, 2017 7:44pm
I know that. That's what's puzzling.

It seems like May is circling the drain.
Permalink Shylock 
November 9th, 2017 9:18pm
Labour thinks they will be in power within weeks. I have my doubts about it, May is stronger than the media say she is. Tories have no appetite for another election, neither does the country. And the votes to replace May with a Labour PM (i.e. Corbyn) are still not there - I doubt DUP would support him.
And possibly many Labour MPs would prefer the Tories to handle the messy part of Brexit, so that they could score cheap points criticising them for the troubles caused by EU inflexibility in the negotiations.
Permalink Yoda 
November 10th, 2017 3:34am
The BBC says Patel was proposing to divert overseas aid directly to the IDF in the Golan Heights.

Apparently the official UK Government policy does not recognise the Israeli occupation there - who knew?!

Maybe Patel is an agent for Mossad?
Permalink Qaz 
November 10th, 2017 6:20am
Losing a minister is not the same as losing seats.  She still has the same number of tories and DUP votes in parliament,  so no.
Permalink MobyDobie 
November 10th, 2017 6:40am
Corbyn is delusional, in the last election many people voted labour as a protest at some of the policies May had sneaked into the manifesto, like bringing back fox hunting and ivory trading.

Some students also voted for him because he proposed cancelling student loans - he has since admitted he couldn't do this.

In a 'real' election he'll come nowhere.

Especially with all the labour 'remoaners' in seats that overwhelmingly voted for Brexit.
Permalink Qaz 
November 10th, 2017 7:04am
The aid was to help the IDF treat sick and wounded Syrians. Those mean Jews, amirite?
Permalink Shylock 
November 10th, 2017 7:22am
Would giving them the money be defacto recognition of the occupation?
Permalink Qaz 
November 10th, 2017 8:09am
>>Corbyn is delusional

Both parties are, they are both infested with nutters from the extremes, in the Tory party you have those who think Ayn Rand delivered the biblical truth and Labour is overrun with Marxists from Momentum.

It's not surprising so many people feel they don't have a political home.
Permalink libtard_uk 
November 10th, 2017 8:55am
>Would giving them the money be defacto recognition of the occupation?

Sure, I guess.

Is it better to let Syrians suffer and die rather than recognize the reality that Israel has conquered and annexed the Golan and that Syria will never be sovereign there again?
Permalink Shylock 
November 10th, 2017 9:37am
Then whole thing is stupid, and ignores the idea that money is fungible.

Patel should have offered the Israelis money for something relatively non-controversial (say a non-denominational children's cancer centre in Tel Aviv).  Then the Israeli government could have cut their funding of this program by an equivalent amount, and used the money spend to aid Syrian refugees, fortify the Golan heights, or carpet bomber Gaza, or whatever.... But no UK money would be spent on the controversial stuff.
Permalink MobyDobie 
November 10th, 2017 10:13am
Yes, this was supposed to be a pro-Israel coup by Patel. (oh those poor Syrians, from Israel??).
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
November 10th, 2017 10:19am
What Lotti? You have a problem with the IDF helping Syrians?
Permalink Shylock 
November 10th, 2017 10:35am
>Patel should have offered the Israelis money for something relatively non-controversial (say a non-denominational children's cancer centre in Tel Aviv)....

Yeah, that would have been smart. She doesn't seem too swift.
Permalink Shylock 
November 10th, 2017 10:36am
The view from left-wing Israel:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-1.821895
Permalink Shylock 
November 10th, 2017 2:30pm
The British government, especially Tory ones, is traditionally pro Israel.  It's hard to figure why, because Israel has fucked the UK over every chance it gets, and Britain doesn't really have any interests in Israel, but plenty in the Arab world.

The FCO is traditionally and strongly pro Arab, given a lot of Arab states are under some degree of British influence.

That's why she did it in the quiet.
Permalink MobyDobie 
November 10th, 2017 5:04pm
"Is it better to let Syrians suffer and die rather than recognize the reality that Israel has conquered and annexed the Golan and that Syria will never be sovereign there again?"

It wasn't Patel's decision to make. She got fired for trying to do her own foreign policy.
Permalink Yoda 
November 11th, 2017 2:14pm
When has Israel ever fucked the UK over? And what interests does the UK have with the Arab world besides oil?
Permalink Shylock 
November 11th, 2017 6:06pm
>It wasn't Patel's decision to make. She got fired for trying to do her own foreign policy.

Yup. Tried to do the right thing the wrong way. Oh well. Better to let Syrians suffer.

I wonder if they realize that Israel has done more to keep Syrians in Syria than any European country.
Permalink Shylock 
November 11th, 2017 6:09pm
"Israel fucked England over" is the favorite refrain of every anti-Semitic British subject.

Fortunately, they've got LOTS of non-anti-semitic population.  But the anti-Semitic part is loud.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
November 11th, 2017 6:57pm
Oh, and just like Trump's "Obamacare has failed", the statement is incorrect.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
November 11th, 2017 6:58pm
And the Labor Party is chock full of Jew-haters now.
Permalink Shylock 
November 11th, 2017 7:06pm
It isn't.

"Israel fucked UK over" is code speak for "we helped them get started and they ungrateful".
Permalink Yoda 
November 11th, 2017 10:18pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-anti-semitism-jeremy-corbyn-inquiry-shami-chakrabarti-yougov-poll-a7902251.html

The UK did and didn't help Israel get started. But they sure as fuck did everything they could to prevent the Jews from forming a state
Permalink Shylock 
November 11th, 2017 10:36pm
We fucked over the Arabs too, Sykes-Picot for the win!
Permalink Zed 
November 12th, 2017 2:30am
A good chunk of the world, actually.
Permalink Shylock 
November 12th, 2017 7:27am
But we also spread Progress.
Permalink Yoda 
November 12th, 2017 7:39am
Like most parts of life, the truth about the UK ruling a huge part of the world doesn't fit into a neat, easy-to-understand narrative.
Permalink Shylock 
November 12th, 2017 7:42am
> "Israel fucked England over" is the favorite refrain of every anti-Semitic British subject. 

It's nothing to do with anti semitism.  It's a simple historical fact that Israel (not th1e Jews), fucked with Britain repeatedly e.g.

You want to look  at which of our supposed allies was helping Argentina keep its planes effective in 1982 (apart from France that is).  The reason was Begin was Israeli PM at the time, and had a hatred of Britain dating back to the 1940s (when he was a terrorist engaged in bombing hotels).

Or you can go back to 1956 if you prefer.  The Israelis were supposed to advance up to the canal, to make the Anglo-French intervention to separate the combatants credible (of course, Britain was fucked over by the US in a more significant way, and in turn went over to fuck over the French and Israelis by losing its nerve).

The Labour Anti-Semites wouldn't have a problem with the Israeli policy in 1982, since they think the Falklands belong to Argentina anyway.
Permalink MobyDobie 
November 12th, 2017 3:47pm
I don't know about the Falklands, and Begin did hate the British, you may have a point, dunno. I do remember the US trying to be neutral at the time.

But the Sinai in 1956, the Israelis accomplished their goals. The Brits and the French were the ones who betrayed them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis#Invasion
Permalink Shylock 
November 12th, 2017 7:39pm
tl&dr;

What were the Israelis promised by their allies that the allies didn't deliver?
Permalink Yoda 
November 13th, 2017 2:43pm
Peace.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
November 13th, 2017 4:02pm
What do you mean, exactly? Did France or Britain attack Israel?
Permalink Yoda 
November 13th, 2017 5:12pm
From the article:

"The British government faced political and economic pressure. Sir Anthony Eden, the British Prime Minister, announced a cease fire on 6 November, warning neither France nor Israel beforehand."
Permalink Shylock 
November 13th, 2017 6:52pm

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