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Sock Puppet Management Software (SPMS)?

Any recommendations?
Permalink Wick 
November 8th, 2017 11:32am
You mean to track social media identities? I'm old school... I use an Excel spreadsheet with separate pages for each campaign or trolling target.
Permalink Send private email Bored Bystander 
November 8th, 2017 12:10pm
For CoT use, CES, keeps all your ids separate, but easily selectable with the "alt" selection popup. It also manages routing each one through a VPN, and you have the per-alt search capability, and also the note pad and per-thread and per-message notes. I also like the new highlighter and dog-ear functions, which are helpful for remembering key details of fabricated back stories. Just highlight, click, and it gets added to the alt-auto-dossier.

"Never get your alts crossed again!" as the marketing fluff says.
Permalink Reality Check 
November 8th, 2017 12:50pm
Also don't forget that when you search using the local mirror it searches both the message texts and also the texts of your associated private notes, and those in your posse group if you are a member of one. You can also limit searches to just tags.
Permalink Reality Check 
November 8th, 2017 12:53pm
@Bored
Spreadsheet is grand as far as it goes but I really could do with some of the features in RC's fantasy software, some really good ideas there, esp re vpns etc.
I'd like protection against sock puppet detection algorithms which are becoming more prevalent, stuff to warn me if I'm mixing up personae or posting to a pattern across sites etc. Also something to put a different style on different characters. The ability to go on the offensive and plagiarise other poster's patterns and content with a view to becoming identified as a puppet of theirs would be a massive plus.
I'd pay a lot for such a product.
Permalink Wick 
November 9th, 2017 3:23am
I'm starting to think there might be an opportunity here.
Permalink libtard_uk 
November 9th, 2017 5:39am
"I'd like protection against sock puppet detection algorithms which are becoming more prevalent, stuff to warn me if I'm mixing up personae or posting to a pattern across sites etc."

Thanks for the suggestion. A few others have asked for this as well and we have an open ticket. It's a tricky problem. Currently we have detectors that analyze writing style and create a probability matrix showing the chances that any two accounts are run by the same person. This and some others, such as posting time, are used to create the "background check" page that shows all your fellow posters and the likelihood that they are another, and the page showing clustered "cells" of accounts that seem to be working together.

Now this can be used to check your own accounts, and we've done that, but it basically outs you every single time for normal usage. To get around this you need to use different writing styles for each alt. The algorithms are so good though that even when you try your best it still doesn't work.

To address this we've tried a few things. For example, translating your posts for a given alt to another language and then back. This does work to increase the similarities of a given alt and to fool the recognizer. However, it also makes most of your posts incoherent and obviously machine generated. The technology for perfect round trip translation just isn't there yet and is a very big problem. Also to get enough machine power we have to send your posts to our server farm, and some users are concerned with the privacy implications of this.

Another one is changing the times that each alt is "awake" and posting. This is easy to implement, but then you have posts that are suspiciously out of order, or being posted to dead threads.
Permalink CES Maintainer 
November 9th, 2017 7:30am
Amazing!, CES sounds just the biz. How do I get it.

> This is easy to implement, but then you have posts that are suspiciously out of order, or being posted to dead threads.

Just  a though, that might look less odd if it was multiple puppets chatting.
Permalink Wick 
November 9th, 2017 9:44am
We're at the maximum percentage of sustainable licenses for the venue given its population of 7 unique long term members, and 11 if you count people who post less than once a day.

If the number of members increases, or current members leave, then new licenses will be available.

Regarding the chat idea, one can do that now but has to be both sides. It sounds like you are suggesting one side be an AI? The problem with that is it's a chat bot and CES design philosophy is never to generate completely originally posts, users have the assurance that all posts they see in some sense come from meat and not circuits.
Permalink CES Maintainer 
November 9th, 2017 10:40am
Holy fuck, these are incredibly plausible concepts. CES is almost a fleshed out product. Conceptually at present it's well beyond about half the startup shit I worked on as a contractor.

Our joke concepts here are more real than most shit that goes on in the IT field.
Permalink Send private email Bored Bystander 
November 9th, 2017 10:30pm
@Wick

Ok, here's an idea:

What does Reality Check presently use?

What did Ralph use?

And what does Mup use now?
Permalink Send private email Bored Bystander 
November 9th, 2017 10:32pm
I really am using CES to keep track of posts here.

I don't use the alt stuff though since I always use this same name, but it's fun to read the manual.
Permalink Reality Check 
November 9th, 2017 10:52pm
@BB
CES, i'm on the waiting list currently.
Surprised you don't have it though, you should complain.
Permalink Wick 
November 10th, 2017 3:25am
BB has been the most requested friend in the system, and he's been offered, but IIFC he is afraid of putting "weird software from some guy I don't know" on his computer due to the possibility it is malware that roots his machine.

It's not malware and values privacy, subject to the T&C of the EULA.

A security audit would show that. Just whatever you do don't monitor port 7571.
Permalink CES Maintainer 
November 10th, 2017 9:00am

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