Give ne back my hat!

Investment advice

Or shall I better say, entrepreneurial. From guys who are in the best case orthogonal to it (can get worse, there's also the complex axis).

So I've got some guys from New York interested in both my work and my software. We're gonna have a conversation but reading from MS's baby thread, it all resumes to one question, which needs to be spelled out if not first then clear: how much for how much?

That is, equity for capital. I was originally thinking 20% for $60k but now I'm more like 10% for $120k.
Permalink Io 
September 12th, 2017 12:05pm
Ask for the 120K settle for the 60K
Permalink X 
September 12th, 2017 12:15pm
Thanks RP, that's noted. I'm more in the $1B range, though.
Permalink Io 
September 12th, 2017 12:16pm
I would let them make an offer first and not mention a value before that.  They might just come in a lot higher than you are expecting.  If you throw out a number first, it would kill any intended higher offer and you would never know about it.
Permalink ps 
September 12th, 2017 1:04pm
Thanks and noted. BTW, I'm Austro-Hungarian and so far we started two wars.
Permalink Send private email Io 
September 12th, 2017 1:21pm
Only two? 

Newbies.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 12th, 2017 1:22pm
Right. I enjoy it and so should you.
Permalink Send private email Io 
September 12th, 2017 2:07pm
Io is completely correct in his claim that he was instrumental in starting both WWI and WWII.

WWI established that chemical weapons are an abomination and founded the League of Nations, now known as the UN.

WWII brought the entire global community to annihilate the regime of Germany and its populist supported and elected chancellor both whom were obsessed with eugenics and the termination of allegedly lesser cultures and societies. This also destroyed the progressive socialist supported eugenics efforts in the US.

Both these are great goods and I thank Io and his people for their service to humanity.
Permalink Reality Check 
September 12th, 2017 2:35pm
Thanks RC, hope you realize that was only an introduction into what follows.
Permalink Io 
September 12th, 2017 3:02pm
I look forward to the next installment.
Permalink Reality Check 
September 12th, 2017 3:19pm
Yay!
Permalink Io 
September 12th, 2017 3:23pm
>WWII Germany

Now we have the opposite extreme.  If anyone says that there's a genetic component to intelligence, they get fired and their career is ruined.  You're also not allowed to say that some cultures might be better than others.
Permalink FSK 
September 12th, 2017 7:16pm
Didn't the US declare war on Romania in WWII?
Permalink Shylock 
September 12th, 2017 7:53pm
The US didn't declare war in WW II.

The war was declared on them.

The Romanians were fully committed to the Axis in 1941, so when Germany declared war on the US, Romania would have been at war as well.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 13th, 2017 5:14am
Well, actually, yes, the US DID declare war in WW-II.

Not on Romania personally, but on Germany and Japan absolutely.

The US went from an isolationist country to full war footing overnight, December 7th, 1941.  Both houses passed the war resolution declaring war the following day.

We forget how reluctant so many people were to enter WW-II before that.  Conservatives in the US felt that we needed the Fascists to balance the Communists, so they weren't going to allow anyone to do the right thing.  Until Pearl Harbor.

Apparently they still feel that way today.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 13th, 2017 9:01am
The US did formally declare war on Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania. They were the last declarations of war the Congress ever passed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States
Permalink Shylock 
September 13th, 2017 10:52am
Further evidence of how incredibly shitty my public school education was. Axis was said to be Germany, Italy, and Japan. Allies were Britain, France, Russia, miscellaneous others, and later the US.

I don't recall ever once in my life having heard that Hungary and Romania were allied with the Nazis as they were. That's a pretty big omission. And highly relevant to Hungary's current position about immigrants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers

This map also shows a bunch of other shitty countries that were axis apparently, in blue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers#/media/File:Map_of_participants_in_World_War_II.png

Iraq, Finland and Burma were all allies of the fucking Nazis!

God damn it.

Definitely plan to shove this in the face of my uppity Finnish coworker when he gets back from vacation.
Permalink Reality Check 
September 13th, 2017 11:44am
Also pretty fucking relevant to Burma=Myanmar's ongoing genocide against the Rohingya.
Permalink Reality Check 
September 13th, 2017 11:45am
Finland was driven into the hands of the Axis by the Soviet Union.

The SU attacked Finland to conquer them. The Fins defended themselves, but had to give in because of the overwhelming odds.

When Germany fought the SU, Finland tried to regain their lost land.

In the end they were pushed back, but put on a very stubborn defence, so Stalin could no longer afford the large forces to press the offensive.

So Finland and the SU signed a truce. German forces on Finnish soil - that didn't want to retreat - were attacked by Fins until they were destroyed or capitulated.

Part of the truce between SU and Finland was that they would not join a Western Military alliance.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 13th, 2017 2:27pm
Declaring war on a country that already declared the war itself is kind of a second rate and irrelevant declaration.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 13th, 2017 2:30pm
You would think.  But the US avoided declaring war on Germany from September 1, 1939 (when they invaded Poland) until December 7, 1941, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

So what was America doing during those two entire years?  Roosevelt created the "Lend-Lease" policy, to try to resupply Great Britain and keep them afloat.  The Republicans tried to impeach him over that one.

Mostly, America was sitting with its fingers in its ears, going "la-la-la Hitler would NEVER attack us, Commies are evil, the Germans are awesome, la-la-la".

This prompted Winston Churchill to say "America will do the right thing, only after they've tried everything else."

So really, it's very important when you declare war.

We've avoided this since December 8, 1941, by NEVER declaring war on anyone ever again.  Instead, we do "Police Actions" or other euphemisms that let the Congress off the hook.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 13th, 2017 2:55pm
> You would think.  But the US avoided declaring war on Germany from September 1, 1939 (when they invaded Poland) until December 7, 1941, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

And even then it was Germany that declared the war, not the US.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 13th, 2017 3:26pm
I thought America declared war first, then Germany followed.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 13th, 2017 4:00pm
Yup.  America declared war December 8th.

Germany and Italy declared war on America December 11th.

Now what was your point again?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 13th, 2017 4:01pm
December 11, 1941, the United States Congress declared war upon Germany (Pub.L. 77–331, Sess. 1, ch. 564, 55 Stat. 796), hours after Germany declared war on the United States after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.[1] The vote was 88–0 in the Senate and 393–0 in the House.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_declaration_of_war_upon_Germany_(1941)
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 13th, 2017 5:49pm
I don't know where you get your information, Hubble.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 13th, 2017 5:50pm
>Iraq, Finland and Burma were all allies of the fucking Nazis!

There's also a case to be made that Vichy France was also a member of the Axis.

The Allies sure treated them as such. They destroyed the French fleet at Oran IIRC, and also fought them in Madagascar.

Eisenhower wanted to treat them as the enemy.
Permalink Shylock 
September 13th, 2017 6:11pm
"I don't know where you get your information, Hubble."

He was obviously assuming the declaration against Japan and Germany was the same day. You guys all have it slightly messed up.

December 7, 1941 Pearl Harbor Bombed
December 8, 1941 US declares war on Japan
December 11, 1941 Germany declares war on US because the US declared war on Japan and Germany and Japan are allies with a mutual defense agreement
December 11, 1941 US declares war on Germany in response to Germany declaring war on US
Permalink Reality Check 
September 17th, 2017 12:30pm
Excellent.  Thank you for the full skinny.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 17th, 2017 3:01pm
> Excellent.  Thank you for the full skinny.

You were wrong once again, always trusting your false image of the world.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 17th, 2017 3:17pm
Ah, you misunderstand, Lotti.

I'm always willing and eager to have my model of the world corrected into something more true.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 17th, 2017 3:21pm
Interesting.  It was you who said:
"Declaring war on a country that already declared the war itself is kind of a second rate and irrelevant declaration."

Whereupon we gave you an alternative example in WW-II.

But do you accept it?  No, instead you turn it into an opportunity to attempt to abuse your fellow man.

You might want to examine that behavior.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 17th, 2017 3:23pm
> Whereupon we gave you an alternative example in WW-II.

No, you were just outright wrong. And now you call that alternative?

That is like Trumps alternative reality.

It is always the same pattern with you: you say something that is factually wrong, somebody points that out, but then you defend your wrong statement until the correct information is spelled out to you.

Then you say "now I learned something", but that phase where you still hold onto your errors while you obviously are missing the the facts is insulting.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 18th, 2017 3:56am
Or, I guess you don't want to examine that behavior.

That's too bad.  Like Trump, you seem to be filtering what you see so that it validates whatever distortion you already hold.  You're not going to learn anything that way.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 18th, 2017 11:10am

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