Give ne back my hat!

European countries that still own properties in the Caribean?

Can they leave? What do my liberal leftist friends think?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_in_the_Caribbean
Permalink WorldRoverski 
September 8th, 2017 11:53am
The Dutch Kingdom contains six islands in the Caribean.

They have been offered full sovereignty outside the Kingdom, with a lump sum of cash, but none of the six accepted that offer.

Now they have different administrative status within the Kingdom.

Two larger islands formed together their one state with their own parliament that delegated foreign affairs and defence to the Dutch government, and who receive yearly support money.

The third larger island formed its own state in the same way.

In these states the King is represented by a Governor while in Dutch provinces the King is represented by a Commissar. In all these cases the political power is with the Parliament or the 'Raad' (counsel)

Other islands took the status of municipality, so they are locally ruled by a municipality Council and a Mayor. They receive money like all cities in the Netherlands do.

The Mayor is the representative of the King in cities, while the political power is with the council.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 8th, 2017 12:50pm
That's cool. Do Dutch people need passport to visit these islands?
Permalink WorldRoverski 
September 8th, 2017 12:54pm
They have their own languages.

The three larger islands, before the coast of Venezuela, use Papiamento,

"and believed to be derived from Portuguese, Judaeo-Portuguese, Spanish, Judaeo-Spanish, African languages, Indigenous languages, English, and Dutch."

The three smaller islands, on the Eastern flank of the Caribean, use mainly English.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 8th, 2017 1:00pm
> That's cool. Do Dutch people need passport to visit these islands?

A passport, or maybe an identity card suffices.

But Dutch people also need full id documents at home in many situations, so everybody possesses such documents, and a voyage to the Caribbean is no different in this respect.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 8th, 2017 1:04pm
I meant to say Dutch people don't need a visa to visit.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
September 8th, 2017 1:05pm
A black guy I met on Sint Maarten told me that his native language was Dutch.
Permalink Shylock 
September 8th, 2017 1:07pm
Those islands are very popular holiday destinations in the Netherlands.

There are also many rich pensioners who live there.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 8th, 2017 1:08pm
Saint Martin island is divided between the French and the Dutch.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
September 8th, 2017 1:11pm
Saint Martin is in ruins at the moment.

There is very wide destruction, with property still standing having been plundered, armed soldiers are now patrolling the streets while emergency aid is being shipped from the Netherlands.

The French government declared that on their part of Saint Martin, not a single government building was undamaged.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 8th, 2017 1:24pm
As I remember, the border between Holland and France in the Caribbean wasn't exactly the Berlin Wall (:=)
Permalink Shylock 
September 8th, 2017 1:58pm
> As I remember, the border between Holland and France in the Caribbean wasn't exactly the Berlin Wall (:=)

Those North Western islands were about the harbours, where convoys of merchants for Europe assembled near a secure fortress.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 8th, 2017 2:04pm
That part of the Caribbean is pretty much a desert IIRC. The massive rains must have caused lots of problems as well.

Also, Juan is coming down pretty much the same path at them moment...
Permalink Shylock 
September 8th, 2017 2:31pm
These island are very heavily visited by cruise ships from Florida.

That is their economic basis today.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 8th, 2017 2:35pm
The French are much more effective in their aid on Saint Martin than the Dutch.

The French have a military base nearby in Guadeloupe, and they have sent thousands of soldiers to Saint Martin, who started administering aid and maintaining order.

Dutch military force and aid had to be shipped from Europe, and that has cause a delay, while public order was lost and plunder raged.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 8th, 2017 3:14pm
The Dutch are trying to coordinate with France and gain their assistance, but of course the French have their own priorities.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 8th, 2017 3:15pm
I still feel to this day that the importation of slaves from Africa by the French, Dutch, and English to the Caribbeans and America continent was a huge mistake beside the huge moral sin!
Permalink WorldRoverski 
September 8th, 2017 3:28pm
Yeah, for many years the slaves worked for free. Now their descendants have for themselves crime ridden ghetto and poverty! What would it has been if the Africans were left alone in Africa?
Permalink WorldRoverski 
September 8th, 2017 3:34pm
There wouldn't be BLM and racism.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
September 8th, 2017 3:38pm
What if ....

But in the Caribean the African slaves had some opportunities.

They were often paid, and many were able to save up for to buy their release, and many of those then acquired slaves themselves as a labour providing business, kind of a rude analogue to modern employment agencies.

In the Caribean slavery wasn't the total hopeless humiliation as in the US.

Descendant of Caribean slaves have taken a relatively proud position on their islands. Of course their average wealth is still not huge, and there is some poverty there.
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 8th, 2017 4:23pm
They tend to do better in this country than the descendants of American slaves. When my wife was a teacher in the NYC ghetto, she could always tell which kid came from a Caribbean black family and which ones didn't.
Permalink Shylock 
September 8th, 2017 6:33pm
'In the Heat of the Night' used a Caribbean (Bahamas) actor, Sidney Poitier, because at that time there were no US black actors that had such an aura of pride.

(According to the actor himself).
Permalink Lotti Fuehscheim 
September 9th, 2017 3:32am
>Through the lens of his own family’s experience, the author [Malcolm Gladwell] explores why West Indians and American blacks are perceived differently.

http://gladwell.com/black-like-them/
Permalink Pie is a lot better than fine 
September 10th, 2017 11:40am

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