Give ne back my hat!

All hands meeting at Google

Bet: how many will be fired for speaking their minds tomorrow?
Permalink Rk 
August 9th, 2017 7:58pm
0 - few people are that stupid

Some may be added to "blacklists" though, and quietly disposed of later.
Permalink FSK 
August 9th, 2017 8:03pm
America's always had this problem.

"Freedom of speech" as a pure concept, is supposed to free any who are oppressed to have a voice.  The un-oppressed never had a problem, they had the resources to say whatever they wanted to say already.

But as the Nazi's demonstrated, and slavery in America for that matter, hate-speech can be used to silence other's freedom of speech.

So how do you handle this paradox?

Some on the left are wedded to the pure concept, ignoring when their pure concept has been corrupted by voices of great power, money, and access to media.  They don't realize that their blessed concept has been turned upon them.  Because in being so wedded to "Free Speech", they've forgotten it's supposed to be "Free Speech" to tell truths.

Now truths vary based on where you stand, where you're looking, what your perspective is.  But when free speech has been corrupted into telling lies and corruption and abuse of others -- well, what do you do with THAT free speech?  And when that corruption silences other's free speech, what do you do then?

So, we've lost the importance of truth.  There's been a group spouting lies so long, we've forgotten how important the truth is.

So I think trying to identify hate-speech, and remove it from the public square, is not a goal without merit.

As it is, we've got a bunch of performance artists spouting the most amazing bullshit, and trying to demonstrate how useless and abuseable free-speech is.

It's not supposed to be a performance art.  It's supposed to be about truth.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
August 9th, 2017 8:16pm
>"Freedom of speech" as a pure concept, is supposed to free any who are oppressed to have a voice.

Unless you are the top dog (or one of the top dogs), there is no such thing as "freedom of speech" within the workplace.

The main problem I have with people who call themselves liberal is that most of them do not act like one. If Google is an "enlightened and intellectual paradise" to work at then why does management even attempt to stifle or stomp out freedom of speech?
Permalink One Programmer's Opinion 
August 9th, 2017 9:06pm
Because it's the wrong kind of freedom of speech, duh
Permalink Ruseman 
August 9th, 2017 9:12pm
Freedom is speech means that you cannot be arrested for speech; it doesn't mean speech is without consequences.  The whole concept has been perverted so far that people believe anyone should be able to say anything without any sort of personal or social consequence -- that's idiotic.
Permalink Send private email Almost Anonymous 
August 9th, 2017 9:20pm
The problem here is the assumption that you are right, and that  others are not allowed to question it, but in the open one pretends that others are free to express their concerns.

I expect honesty. Make up your mind and state up front whether a decision has been made.

And really, what so special about different gender On Average having different aptitudes?
Permalink Rk 
August 9th, 2017 9:23pm
>And really, what so special about different gender On Average having different aptitudes?

Because the claims of "different aptitudes" collapse when looking at different cultures. Such as in the Soviet Union, doctors were mostly women because it was not considered a prestigious career.

The google memo was just another way for techbros to piss on women's legs and call it rain.
Permalink Pie is a lot better than fine 
August 9th, 2017 10:20pm
Programmers have to be autistic robots; it's easier for employers that way.
Permalink Almost Anonymous 
August 10th, 2017 12:27am
All right, conceded it can be an excuse, but almost all positions can be abused.

Is it true? You never know if you assume the answer.
Permalink Rk 
August 10th, 2017 12:41am
"Programmers have to be autistic robots; it's easier for employers that way."

Now that is insightful.
Permalink Rk 
August 10th, 2017 12:43am
"Employment at will" > free speech.
Permalink Shylock 
August 10th, 2017 9:18am
>>Because the claims of "different aptitudes" collapse when looking at different cultures. Such as in the Soviet Union, doctors were mostly women because it was not considered a prestigious career.

Actually, that supports what the memo was saying.  Men are more motivated by the status of a career which is one of the reasons there are more men in high-status careers.
Permalink Bill 
August 10th, 2017 9:38am
So all the libtards vote that he should be fired.  Go figure.
Permalink President of the Brice Fan Club 
August 10th, 2017 10:12am
> more men in high-status careers.

But then high-status careers are somewhat arbitrary and those who excel at getting in high-status positions might not actually be the best for that job because it's all arbitrary.
Permalink Send private email Almost Anonymous 
August 10th, 2017 11:50am
"Programmers have to be autistic robots; it's easier for employers that way."

They are the worst, they go off on some bizarre idea of what they think the requirements are when the customer has a completely different idea. Empathy is an important part of the job.
Permalink libtard_uk 
August 11th, 2017 3:54am
That's okay, the customer doesn't know what he wants until he sees it either.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
August 14th, 2017 11:19am

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