Y'all are a bunch of wankers!

The Dutch Reach

Never heard of it, and I don't use it.

Maybe it is taught to new drivers, I don't know.

But what I _do_ and have been taught, and every other Dutch driver, is never open the door without looking into the mirror and over the shoulder as well before opening the door, because we know that there are cyclists (because we are all cyclists ourselves).

It is similar to driving away from your parking place: you will always check if it is free, won't you?
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
August 7th, 2017 8:16am
Who cares, it's just a fucking bike. They don't pay road taxes, those subhumans. Bike lanes are a waste of money.

Caveat: I've ridden a bike seriously for 42 years and riding on public roads scares the shit out of me.
Permalink Send private email Bored Bystander 
August 7th, 2017 2:48pm
I just tried it, you gain maybe 5 degrees of extra vision.
Permalink Tristin 
August 7th, 2017 3:48pm
The problem is entirely cultural. Our drivers don't consider bicyclists as being important, worth consideration, or having inherent rights to use public roads.

I rode mainly on public roads from 1975 through about 1993 or so. After that it's been almost entirely on separate bike trails and only using roads for trail connections. Motorists are generally non-accomodating and see bikes as pure nuisance.

The US is very dominance, strength, might-makes-right oriented. We have as a country very much a hillbilly/cowboy wide open spaces type mindset. Always has been the case.

(Inevitable political comment: Trump is culturally a return to the norm for presidents, pre-Roosevelt, in fact.)

The Dutch reach is a great idea but drivers in the US and probably even driving schools simply wouldn't bother with it because it would be considered frivolous.
Permalink Send private email Bored Bystander 
August 7th, 2017 4:03pm
In 45 years of driving, the Dutch Reach would not have helped me once.  Not even close to helping.

Bikes don't pass cars that closely here.

I'm not programmed to check things that have zero payback in 45 years.
Permalink Legion 
August 7th, 2017 4:20pm
I tried it today. Pulled something in my shoulder, which hurt. It's not a natural maneuver at all given the location of the handle and, combined with testimony from Dutch who say they weren't really forced to study this for their driving exam, I'm skeptical that this is fake news.
Permalink Skeptic 
August 7th, 2017 4:27pm
In NL, when you leave your car without looking into your mirror, even on an empty parking place, during your exam, you fail your driving test.

First time failures for driving tests are very common in NL, about 50%, and because lessons and exams are expensive, people tend to take learning the rules very seriously.

The most common cause for failure is not using the mirrors consistently.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
August 7th, 2017 7:49pm
Here in the states we foolishly allow mere children of 16 to drive.
Permalink Legion 
August 8th, 2017 12:57am
In the states you foolishly let the car industry dictate transport policy and planning.
Permalink libtard_uk 
August 8th, 2017 12:37pm
But that's why we have so few on bicycles.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
August 8th, 2017 5:42pm
I watched a presentation of a Seattle study group to create better cycling infrastructure, with results of a delegation to the Netherlands.


It analyses the Dutch cycling infrastructure from the American point of view, and discusses ways how Seattle might go forward to improve their situation.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
August 8th, 2017 7:35pm

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