Mean, sick, and poor is no way to go through life, son.

Whew!  COT is back!

Good job, and thanks, Wayne!
Permalink Legion 
August 6th, 2017 11:59pm
Legion++

Maybe you can explain what happened?
Permalink Send private email Io 
August 7th, 2017 12:06am
Alhamdulillah
Permalink Moslem on COT 
August 7th, 2017 1:07am
Good I was not feeling using Reddit for this
Permalink Ruseman 
August 7th, 2017 5:54am
+1 Legion
Permalink angry 
August 7th, 2017 6:20am
+1 Legion
Permalink , Cup 
August 7th, 2017 6:21am
Wow Wayne, I'm impressed. Restores for the win!
Permalink Shylock 
August 7th, 2017 6:38am
It was a wasted opportunity on the hackers side, imagine the fun they could have had with the trolls.
Permalink libtard_uk 
August 7th, 2017 6:44am
So i wonder who it was who actually hacked the site.  Signs point to Herr Doktor, but that's also the obvious culprit so it could be someone else looking to frame him.
Permalink Ruseman 
August 7th, 2017 7:17am
Still an ancient server !
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=crazyontap.com
Permalink John 
August 7th, 2017 8:03am
I observed it happening on Saturday.

And yes, it was apparently Herr Doctor.  We got a LOT of repeated nonsense messages, from all user names.  Eventually (I assume) this crashed the database, which was then wiped.

I'm impressed Wayne could bring this back up from the ashes -- well done.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
August 7th, 2017 10:36am
...and it's badder than ever?
Permalink This space for rent 
August 7th, 2017 10:40am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M
Permalink This space for rent 
August 7th, 2017 11:06am
I'm pretty sure too it was Dr. H. I mean, the guy was mercilessly banned for a period of years, I think. I'd be pissed too.

But indeed he behaves in his best moments as me in my worst drunken ones. And with attacks like this, surely he doesn't get more popular.

On the other hand he does deny, which even if he perpetrated the attack, cuts him some slack. It shows some rationality so perhaps he's not a lost cause.

I'd say give him a probation period. Maybe indeed wasn't him, although I can't think of someone else who had the motives. And technical capability.
Permalink Io 
August 7th, 2017 11:12am
So Dr. H is a decent hacker?
Permalink WorldRoverski 
August 7th, 2017 11:23am
CoT should hire Dr. H to build its anti-hacking software package. It can be a business venture.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
August 7th, 2017 11:24am
Re: The story about the Frog and the Scorpion.

Conclusion: The Scorpion will sting the Frog, even if both die, because it's in the Scorpion's nature.

Re: The story about the Fox and the Hen-house.

Conclusion:  Don't put the Fox in charge of the Hen-house.

In other words, just because someone has skills, doesn't mean they'll use those skills in YOUR service.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
August 7th, 2017 11:31am
In other words, Dr. H is an indecent hacker.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
August 7th, 2017 11:31am
I'm 98% certain it was Dr H. Just for mental exercise, who else could have been? And why?
Permalink Io 
August 7th, 2017 11:42am
Really?  You need that much "mental exercise"?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
August 7th, 2017 11:57am
Like "Hey, we've got an abusive and destructive person trashing our web-site.  Dr. H. left his fingerprints all over it, but let's figure out who ELSE we can accuse of being an abusive and destructive person, just as a mental exercise."

You really think that will end well?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
August 7th, 2017 11:59am
Well, Dr. H already named some suspects :)
Permalink Io 
August 7th, 2017 12:15pm
Well my thing was, Dr. H was the obvious culprit, so anyone else who wanted to do it could easily do it knowing that Dr. H will get the blame, thus letting them get away scott free.

It was likely him (and really, what do you expect when the guy posts things that aren't awful and gets banned/deleted because sometimes he posts things that are awful), but it's fun to speculate who might be the real mastermind while Dr. H gets blamed for it.
Permalink Ruseman 
August 7th, 2017 1:22pm
I saw it happening, it was Horowitz, no doubt, he left a smug post after he trashed the place, then probably thought better of it. He was also all over the Reddit, loudly proclaiming it wasn't him. Very odd.
Permalink Bluebeard 
August 7th, 2017 1:55pm
>> He was also all over the Reddit, loudly proclaiming it wasn't him.

Well, this place is still somewhat a democracy more than  totalitarian which means 'presumed innocent until proven guilty'. So unless you can prove it was him, or he's stupid enough to admit it himself, it wasn't him.
Permalink Io 
August 7th, 2017 1:58pm
>and really, what do you expect when the guy posts things that aren't awful and gets banned/deleted because sometimes he posts things that are awful

How fucking stupid are you? He _always_ winds up posting horrid, evil stuff. Always.
Permalink Shylock 
August 7th, 2017 2:23pm
Dr H. goes from interesting entrepreneur to raging anti-semite in 0.1 seconds.
Permalink Bluebeard 
August 7th, 2017 4:00pm
That is strange since Dr. H is 0.01% Jewish.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
August 7th, 2017 4:10pm
>Dr. H is 0.01% Jewish

Citation needed.
Permalink This space for rent 
August 7th, 2017 5:38pm
There's no such thing as partially Jewish. You are or you aren't and genetics has much less to do with it than people think.
Permalink Shylock's Phone 
August 7th, 2017 5:45pm
Once the carpet bombing with word salad posts stopped that day, the Dr. was claiming in a few posts that it was his doing and that he used a Delphi app.

I tend to believe it was him because he has bragged in the past about having a fairly massive bandwidth as well as controlling many IP addresses from his servers. When CoT was being attacked and was scrolling with 3-5 new messages a second, I have to believe that whoever did it was varying the IP addresses so that the message traffic would be hard to block with a firewall.

At its most active you get maybe one new message a minute here and only for short periods of each day. Throttling at a whole board level and also a "new IP" level can be pretty selective to prevent this kind of thing from happening.
Permalink Send private email Bored Bystander 
August 7th, 2017 5:49pm
> There's no such thing as partially Jewish. You are or you aren't and genetics has much less to do with it than people think.

What Jews themselves think about that is only partially relevant, as the Nazi race laws testify. One Jewish grand parent made you Jewish under those laws.

And for those grand parents the rule was simply their registration in the civil population registry.

Just like civil marriage, any religious mumbo-jumbo is completely irrelevant in post Mediaeval countries.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
August 7th, 2017 7:57pm
Funny to call out Nazi race laws, when the Nazi's were the ones who lost the war and don't exist any more.

Why, you might as well call out Inquisition laws -- similarly obsolete and no longer applicable.

Good thing, too.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
August 7th, 2017 7:58pm
There are many definitions out there. Ironically, the Law of Return uses Hitler's definition. A bad mistake, IMHO.
Permalink Shylock 
August 7th, 2017 8:23pm
What Lotti doesn't seem to understand, or refuses to understand, is that Judaism is both a religion and a Nation at the same time. It doesn't fit the western ideas of nationhood, but that's just too bad, we're not colonized.
Permalink Shylock 
August 7th, 2017 8:25pm
Shylock and Hubble, I think Lotti is trying to say that it matters what other people think.

Your group has its own definitions. That is proper and valid.

Yet people outside your group have their own definitions. Those definitions can be wildly different from your. They might even be cruel and evil.

It is easy for you to say that being Jewish is binary. Either you are Jewish or you are not. Yet it seems vaild to someone outside your group to declare someone half-Jewish.
Permalink Legion 
August 7th, 2017 8:43pm
I find, what a group wants to define itself as, is superior to what a bunch of others tries to define it as.  Especially if those others don't belong to the group, and some may even be negatively disposed toward that group.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
August 7th, 2017 9:08pm
How do you get the others to accept your definition?

Answer: You can't.
Permalink Legion 
August 7th, 2017 10:47pm
Legion, that was my point about the multiple definitions.

The other definition I was talking about was our own.
Permalink Shylock 
August 8th, 2017 2:36am
Others can define you all they want.

You're allowed to push back.

Especially when they're wrong.

And you certainly don't HAVE to accept their definitions for yourself.  Civilized society, justice, and laws, hopefully make it possible for you to maintain YOUR definition even though others disagree.

In uncivilized society, the Nazi's send Jews to the gas chambers.  So one of our continuing goals is to try to insure society doesn't go there.

Oh, and when people won't serve you because you're black, Jewish, Catholic, or gay, we have laws for that.  Their definition of those persons as "inferior" and "not good enough to serve" don't have to stand.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
August 8th, 2017 5:46pm
And I do take the opportunity to correct much of the time.
Permalink Shylock's Phone 
August 8th, 2017 6:06pm

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