Anything else just isn't Enterprise enough.

Does anyone have suggestions for home security cameras?

I would say I need up to 4 cameras, at most.

What is better, DVR or WiFi?  Is it possible to get both capabilities in one system?
Permalink Lance 
July 12th, 2017 10:39am
Also looking for a camera that has software that isn't intrusive.  I bought a camera on Amazon and it wanted all kinds of information from my phone.  How do I know that someone at the company isn't scoping out my flat?
Permalink Lance 
July 12th, 2017 10:41am
There's a big problem with IoT cameras and security.

Most of the brands buy hardware from the same manufacturers in China and just specify features and their own branding. Most of them have the same firmware, which does stuff like have a backdoor to root with a fixed password that can not be changed, or if it can be changed, it reverts to the old one on reboot because it's in the firmware which can't be updated.

This is why IoT cameras are mentioned in so many reports of IoT zombie nets launching DDS attacks.

I have home security cameras myself, but using a system I put together myself out of parts. It cost a lot more than these $200 sets that come with 4 infrared cameras that are all over the place, but are easy to install - and totally insecure.

Also, once these things get hacked (one researcher said it took on average 30 seconds before the system was owned after turning it on), they are usually inside your intranet and will then start attacking all the devices there from inside.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 12th, 2017 10:47am
Jeez... Yeah this is something I'm concerned about, too.

You have to build your own system to get something secure? Crazy.
Permalink NPR 
July 12th, 2017 10:54am
Just go to Costo or Sam's club and buy the security camera pack made by Samsung.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 12th, 2017 10:55am
I bought Amcrest cameras. As far as I know, the password doesn't change when the system restarts.
Permalink NPR 
July 12th, 2017 11:19am
>>Does anyone have suggestions for home security cameras?

Why? What are you scared of?
Permalink libtard_uk 
July 12th, 2017 11:48am
Theft
Permalink Lance 
July 12th, 2017 11:57am
> I bought Amcrest cameras

Are you happy with them?
Permalink Lance 
July 12th, 2017 12:00pm
"As far as I know, the password doesn't change when the system restarts."

That's the visible user password, not the backdoor one.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 12th, 2017 2:04pm
To even find out about it, you generally have to connect to the serial debug terminals on the inside of the devices. There's a bunch of security guy blogs about their adventures doing this sort of thing with a variety of cameras.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 12th, 2017 2:06pm
My Chinese made IP camera sends the data to their server I believe.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 12th, 2017 2:20pm
RP, the reason I think so because when I allow remote connection to this IP camera I have to enter a server IP that is somewhere in Hongkong. How do I work around it?
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 12th, 2017 2:24pm
How I worked around it was to build my own system.

When motion is detected it streams to an off site server that I control. I can also directly tap in. Everything is done through secure connections and the home server is running fully patched Debian.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 12th, 2017 2:35pm
>Theft

You can solve that by not owning much (including security cameras).
Permalink libtard_uk 
July 13th, 2017 6:42am
>> I bought Amcrest cameras
>
> Are you happy with them?

Not really.

One set is the hard-wired cameras (power over Ethernet) that connects to a DVR in my closet. The cameras are trained on different spots outside my house. It is recording 24x7. Fiddled around with motion alerts for many hours, on the phone with tech support, but I couldn't get the settings right. It would either be too sensitive -- any movement of the trees, or shadows shifting due to the sun coming out -- would set it off, or it would not pick up movement at all. Couldn't find the sweet spot.

The mobile app sucked. It was unusable when I was off my home wireless network.

From what I can tell this model is similar to many others (Samsung, Swann, etc). IF you go on Amazon and read the reviews of the Swann, people will point out the exact same issues as I experienced with these cameras.

THe ohter one is a wireless camera indoors in my living room. I can connect to Amcrest online and get streaming video. That one works pretty well. But that's one I'm concerned about security. They released some firmware updates months ago for security reasons and I haven't gotten around to installing them. Ooops.
Permalink NPR 
July 13th, 2017 7:56am
Thanks for the review NPR

> THe ohter one is a wireless camera indoors in my living room. I can connect to Amcrest online and get streaming video. That one works pretty well. But that's one I'm concerned about security. They released some firmware updates months ago for security reasons and I haven't gotten around to installing them. Ooops.

Is the app intrusive?  In other words, does it want a bunch of information from your smart phone in order to install?
Permalink Lance 
July 13th, 2017 11:28am
I don't recall the app asking for permissions that I found bothersome.

For example it did not request geolocation.
Permalink NPR 
July 14th, 2017 6:09pm

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