Y'all are a bunch of wankers!

Companies want "JIT" employees.

"Just-In-Time" employees are required to have xyz skills and know xyz technologies.

Companies don't do training/grooming people anymore unless it is Exxon where they rotate chemical engineers throughout sales/marketing/management/engineering departments.

All of us in software industry are a JIT.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 3:13pm
Not me. And I'm not in software industry. Best you can say about me is that I'm in defense, when everyone knows I've offended you at least a few times.
Permalink Send private email Io 
July 10th, 2017 3:23pm
People here as in BB, Idiot, Hubble or Legion. I haven't offended you so far because I respect you, but, as you obviously know, that has a limit.

Second tires as Quant, FSK: you have achieved nothing so fat. Far. What makes you think the future is going to be different?

Third tires such as NPR, WR, Bluebeard. I stopped being an omega when I realised it won't get me to alpha. I stopped being an aplha when I realised it wont get me to i.
Permalink Send private email Io 
July 10th, 2017 3:30pm
Well, IO, because you're not in Software, this thread doesn't apply to you, correct.

But this is common these days:

1.  Companies want to hire expertise "JIT", with no training.

2.  Companies don't want to pay market rates for this.

3.  Therefore companies REALLY want to hire fresh-outs for peanuts, because they don't know any better, or H1B's for less than peanuts, because they can.  And their justification for this is points 1) and 2) above.  "We can't find talent (at the price we want to pay)!  There's a shortage of talent!  Can has H1B's?"

Then they just leave the positions empty apparently, until they CAN get fresh-outs or H1Bs.  And if they can't, they continue to leave the positions empty.

Hopefully, the low unemployment rate, and the poor performance of outsourcing and H1B productivity, will lead the companies to make a New Deal where training and full pay and "Employee Development" become valuable things.  Hopefully.  I'm not holding my breath.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 10th, 2017 3:37pm
Interesting perspective from the Indian side:


Funny, I didn't realize the "jobs moving West" was happening yet.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 10th, 2017 3:45pm
"Third tires such as NPR, WR, Bluebeard."

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here but it's always entertaining.
Permalink NPR 
July 10th, 2017 3:53pm
He meant to say we are the third wheel? Or we are the 3 amigo?
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 3:58pm
How did Bluebeard hitch the wagon with us?
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 3:59pm
I think he meant third *tier* but I'm not sure where we fall short... development skills, intellect, likeability?
Permalink NPR 
July 10th, 2017 4:12pm
I thought it meant "not as obnoxious" as the second tier, but I could easily have misunderstood.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 10th, 2017 4:15pm
What does it take to understand a Romanian? You guys have no problem understanding my Oriental Engrish.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 4:17pm
I honestly don't get what Io said when he lumped me in with a few others. It was kind of incoherent.

But I like the guy fine, even when he drinks heavily which seems to be taking place right now, and I hope he owns a nice decorative necklace made out of Nicolae Ceaușescu's rotten molars.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
July 10th, 2017 4:21pm
I was thinking beer-bottle-caps.

Funny how minds think alike.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 10th, 2017 4:23pm
Io's only missing a couple teeth, but they've been replaced with stainless steel.

He's always got a couple days stubble.

His upper arms are well developed because he spends a lot of time lifting things and doing hobbies such as welding old cars together to make weird things.

Sometimes after the third 750 of Vodka he climbs to the top of a bridge.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 10th, 2017 4:35pm
One time Io visited my weekend house and saw I had an old  broken tractor rusting in the back yard.

He said he'd fix it, needing only vodka for pay.

After $300 in vodka and a couple trips to a local scrap yard, the tractor was running, but could only go in circles. It also had some weird new section welded to the engine that no one to this day has been able to determine the function of.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 10th, 2017 4:37pm
Another time he wanted me to accompany him to meet a friend in a suburb of Maryland. When Io showed up he was wearing sunglasses, Italian shoes, and a $2000 Armani suit, perfectly custom fitted.

I asked him about a bulge under his jacket, he said it was nothing, then giggled.

The guys we met spoke in Albanian. They were smoking foul smelling cigarettes with a label printed in Burmese.

There was an exchange and as Io stuffed the suitcase into the trunk I got a glimpse of the automatic rifle he was hiding under the suit.

To this day I have no idea what that was about.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 10th, 2017 4:41pm
Maryland? I think you got the state wrong. It must has been Joisey. Did you meet up with the Jewish gang? I recall we have a rabbi gangster in here. I think his name starts with an "S". I don't remember the rest of the letters.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 4:44pm
Io is a colorful rogue! :)
Permalink Bored Bystander 
July 10th, 2017 5:07pm
My current contract is decent.  So I feel like I moved up from "complete career failure" to "somewhat respectable job".

I still feel like I'm severely underperforming my actual ability level.

The only solution I can think of is bootstrapping my own business.  I'd rather spend a couple hundred hours writing a product (indie game) than spending a couple hundred hours practicing interview questions to maybe grovel for a job.
Permalink FSK 
July 10th, 2017 6:55pm
>Companies don't do training/grooming people anymore unless it is ...

someone who is willing to work below the market rate for several years (e.g. Indians living and working in India and some of them who are working in the USA).
Permalink One Programmer's Opinion 
July 10th, 2017 9:52pm
or if someone has indentured servant status preventing them from switching jobs, like H1b visa holders
Permalink FSK 
July 10th, 2017 9:53pm
Aw, some companies just LOVE that "Indentured servitude" employee.  They have no choice about job, salary, duration, or rights.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 11th, 2017 9:26am
Companies want ponies.

Ponies that are purple.

And unicorns.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 11th, 2017 10:48am
And are free, and can start work tomorrow.
Permalink Send private email xampl9 
July 11th, 2017 2:44pm
Lol, Io is drunk posting. Again.
Permalink Bluebeard 
July 11th, 2017 3:24pm

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