Give ne back my hat!

How much would you expect to get paid for being a combat

mercenary? Not private security contractor in a war zone.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 11:55am
Zero.  I'd make a very bad combat mercenary.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 10th, 2017 11:57am
Nine virgins.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
July 10th, 2017 11:59am
But ONLY after you're dead.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 10th, 2017 12:01pm
Lottie, you are cheaper than a Muslim. They want 72.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 12:03pm
Some mercenaries get many virgins even before they're dead.
Permalink Yoda 
July 10th, 2017 12:03pm
LOL on virgins!

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 12:06pm
Years ago one of my school friends went off to be a mercenary in Africa, he was dead within a couple of weeks.
Permalink libtard_uk 
July 10th, 2017 12:38pm
Yeah, it is a 50/50 deal. You could be well trained and well armed but it does help when you got hit by an IED or landmine or a bullet.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 12:46pm
* doesn't help.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 12:46pm
The French government offers you a new identity, and a burial when you die.

But you have to pass their fizzbuzz test, which is pretty tough.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
July 10th, 2017 12:55pm
I wouldn't do it for money.

I could see myself going to help the Kurds if I was younger and in better shape. But I wouldn't do that for money, I'd do it because they are actually killing ISIS and I don't like ISIS.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 10th, 2017 12:59pm
Interestingly a lot of the people fighting for ISIS were mercenaries.
Permalink libtard_uk 
July 10th, 2017 1:17pm
Are not all soldiers that are not drafted and that receive payment mercenaries?
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
July 10th, 2017 1:23pm
French Foreign Legion salary is low and their group sucks comparing to US military. Why would I join them instead of going into US Army? The idea of being mercenary is that you got paid beaucoup bucks!
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 1:24pm
> French Foreign Legion [...] Why would I join them ?

Because your current life sucks.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
July 10th, 2017 1:27pm
That's one reason.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 10th, 2017 1:28pm
Can you join US military the same way you can join the French Foreign Legion? I guess not.
Permalink Io 
July 10th, 2017 1:49pm
US military is only open to citizens and legal immigrants.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 1:57pm
French Foreign Legion now does background check to make sure you are not a convicted criminal.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 1:58pm
French Foreign Legion is open to anyone.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 1:58pm
They don't need that many expendable soldiers any more.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
July 10th, 2017 1:59pm
>> They don't need that many expendable soldiers any more.

Yeah but still it's a different concept that noone has so far. The French (EU, US, us) should maybe exploit this anomaly?
Permalink Io 
July 10th, 2017 2:06pm
Well, not ANYONE.

I think there's an age limit, above which they won't take you.

I KNOW in the US Military there's an age limit for signing up.  Good thing too -- in our boot-camp, we had a 35 year old Air-Force guy transferring to the Navy (I never did hear why).

The physical training regimen in boot camp did him in -- bad ankles, bad knees -- I think he got a medical deferral, and had to join another training unit in order to finish.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 10th, 2017 2:07pm
When I say EU and us it's exactly what I mean. But reading Romanian history, it's hard to find a fight we started together and ended up on the same side :)

So future remains open.
Permalink Io 
July 10th, 2017 2:08pm
Yeah, I assume people understood that there is an age limit in professional military. There isn't if it is a resistant/rebel/whatever (non-official) group.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 2:10pm
Romania was on Hitler's side right?
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 2:10pm
Interesting info from Hubble.

Today's armies, apart from NK and a hand of other places, no longer work with conscripts. They're all mercenaries.

I wanted to be a mercenary and competed for a place in the Romanian army. Not the troops, even today there's a divide between the lowly guys who fight in the trenches and the guys who command them.

I went directly for command stuff and I failed.
Permalink Io 
July 10th, 2017 2:12pm
>> Romania was on Hitler's side right?

Right.

And the previous war, was against the Germans.
Permalink Io 
July 10th, 2017 2:13pm
"US military is only open to citizens and legal immigrants."

Not sure why you're posting that on this thread, but it's not correct, there are a few cases outside those categories. For example, citizens of some of the former US territories are allowed to serve in the US military, as part of their treaties with the US.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 10th, 2017 2:13pm
>> Romania was on Hitler's side right?

And we ended up allied with the Russians, shooting Germans where we could find them.
Permalink Io 
July 10th, 2017 2:14pm
Question: Can a Non-U.S. Citizen Join the United States Military?
Answer: Yes. A non-citizen can enlist in the military. However, federal law prohibits non-citizens from becoming commission or warrant officers. In order for a non-citizen to enlist in the military, he/she must first be a legal immigrant (with a green card), permanently residing in the United States.
Permalink WorldRoverski 
July 10th, 2017 2:16pm
In addition, 10 U.S. Code § 504 permits the Secretary of Defense to authorize the enlistment of ANY person in the world if he determines that such enlistment is "vital to the national interest". This has in some situations been applied to entire groups of people that wished to join and were important to have fighting for us.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 10th, 2017 2:17pm
"In order for a non-citizen to enlist in the military, he/she must first be a legal immigrant (with a green card), permanently residing in the United States."

That is false.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 10th, 2017 2:17pm
I think the difference between Mercenaries and Regular Troops is one of control and money.

For Mercenaries, they're hired by a "private enterprise" organization (like Blackwater, or whatever they're called these days).  "Contractors", if you will.

So the "parent company" is responsible for training and equipage, sending their Mercs out on a contract basis.  The Mercs don't get US Medical, don't get US Retirement, it's a pay for play situation.  The Mercs are responsible to their company, not the US military.  And they're paid top dollar.

Regular troops, their equipment is supplied by the Government, training, clothes, housing, medical, weapons all supplied by the Government. The soldier is responsible to the chain of command, and to the Constitution of the US. (You take an oath when you sign up).  And they're not paid very well at all -- it's public record, google for "US Soldier pay, E-1".  But the benefits are pretty good.

So that's the big difference.  The Merc is loyal to his company.  The Soldier is loyal to his country.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 10th, 2017 2:21pm
Worth noting that the Geneva Convention specifically addresses the mercenary issue.

Mercenaries are NOT covered under the Geneva Convention protections and do NOT have the right to be considered either a legal combatant or a POW.

If a mercenary is captured and brutally tortured it's not a war crime since they are not legal combatants.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 10th, 2017 2:46pm

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