Give ne back my hat!

What methods work for you when looking for a new job?

I don't really keep in contact with most of my co-workers (other than a few who now work out of state or people in state who have ties to current co-workers) so networking is out.

Last time I went looking, I went on indeed.com and sent a bunch of resumes. 

Lots of resumes were sent, about a dozen phone interviews, half dozen interviews, and a couple offers.

I then decided I needed to do a better job researching a company before sending the resume, so the job search is more targeted.

Do you bother with Linked In?  Your own personal website?

Anyone have success going to conventions and the like?  Any job sites worth checking out other than Indeed?  Seems the rest of them (Monter and the like) are infiltrated with recruiters.
Permalink the dot 
May 19th, 2017 12:40pm
I have similar problem like you but it is way different. I want a rich old woman who will take me in as a gigolo. It is very hard to even know where to start.
Permalink WorldRover 
May 19th, 2017 12:47pm
I've no problem getting jobs. I've problems getting jobs that might turn into a business.
Permalink Io 
May 19th, 2017 1:14pm
Friends > skills.

If you're sending in a resume, you've already put yourself being the competition.
Permalink William Ding 
May 19th, 2017 1:27pm
>> If you're sending in a resume, you've already put yourself being the competition.

Well said. More precisely it's this phenomenon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warm_market

"In sales and direct marketing your warm market is said to be people you know, which could be friends, relatives and existing customers, even referrals are said to be warm (see referral marketing.)"

It's some 100-1000x harder (by my estimate) to sell something to a cold market than people you already know.
Permalink Io 
May 20th, 2017 1:23am
It's not that cold market puts you *behind* the competition, it puts you *plain* at competition. And fair competition means your chances are 1/N, where N are the numbers of competitors. Since even the crappiest jobs have people trying to get them, well paying jobs or contracts have hundreds to thousands of competitors. Might as well play the lottery, you've got about the same chances if not better.

If you are able to grow a warm market, then do it. It's hard and requires time, social and political skill and connections. It's a bit of a recursive problem: warm market provides connections but to get into it you need connections. The hardest thing is getting the first connection. After that it's sort of like an infection, it spreads. You know people and they get to know you.
Permalink Io 
May 20th, 2017 1:30am
You can view warm market as a fair competition with just one competitor (in the ideal case) :D
Permalink Io 
May 20th, 2017 1:31am
By the way, dunno how private companies get contracts with the state (public sector) to implement things, be them software, roads and railways, armaments, but here's generally a fair competition in a warm market ;)

Wonder if in the US, UK, Netherlands it's much different.
Permalink Io 
May 20th, 2017 1:33am
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"In sales and direct marketing your warm market is said to be people you know, which could be friends, relatives and existing customers, even referrals are said to be warm (see referral marketing.)"

Yet it's often said that it is best to keep business and friendship (or family) separate.  And don't make friends at work.  Which is it?
Permalink . 
May 20th, 2017 9:05am
Not friends. Connections.
Permalink Yoda 
May 20th, 2017 9:52am

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