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Viking - bad or good?

CoT historians - please chime in.
Permalink WorldRover 
May 18th, 2017 2:10pm
What is your context?  History?  TV-shows?  Family-Tree?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
May 18th, 2017 2:11pm
The stove?
Permalink Yoda 
May 18th, 2017 2:21pm
The guys from Norway?

Historical evidence is they were traders and explorers.

The negative stuff is from the British, who unsuccessfully tried to colonize them and were repelled.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
May 18th, 2017 2:24pm
They did not have horns on their helmets!
Permalink Sangamon 
May 18th, 2017 2:26pm
A Viking was an adventurer, travelling from home. It is not an identification of a tribe, nation or country.

They have a bad press, because the mainstream media of the time were Catholic Clerics, and their riches were the primary targets of the Viking pirates.

Apart from pirating, raiding, and managing long range trade, they loved fighting amongst themselves over who is King.

On the continent they are usually referred to as Norman, man of the North.

A large part of the Netherlands has been ruled by Viking Dukes for much of the 9th century until they were killed by the forefather of the Counts of Holland.

Frisians have been known to join Viking parties.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
May 18th, 2017 2:57pm
They weren't pirates. This racist view has been annihilated by recent archaeology.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
May 18th, 2017 3:41pm
The Vikings that raided European coasts were pirates, without doubt.

There were a lot of them.

Their relatives that stayed at home, were not pirates, and not Vikings.

Vikings were also large scale slave traders through the East over the Black Sea and Caspian Sea.

Most Viking silver is from the general area of Afghanistan and Iran, and that silver had also fuelled the Frisian trade, that shipped luxury goods like wine and glass from the Rhineland to Scandinavia.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
May 18th, 2017 3:59pm
Vikings were also large scale slave traders
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They sold captured Slavic women to Arabs and Turks.
Permalink WorldRover 
May 18th, 2017 4:39pm
The rus vikings gave name to Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus'_people

One reason why there are so many blondes in Sweden is because of all the imported slaves from the east.

The viking god of thunder is Thor. He has a long red beard and a hammer - mjölner - that always returns to him when thrown. The slavic god of thunder is Perun. He has an axe that always returns to him when thrown. He too has a long beard.

http://meettheslavs.com/perun-slavic-god/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_expansion
Permalink Markowitch 
May 18th, 2017 5:13pm
> On the continent they are usually referred to as Norman

This would be Norseman in English, Norman is a very different thing, but just as bad on the invasion front.
Permalink Trog 
May 19th, 2017 5:49am
> This would be Norseman in English, Norman is a very different thing, but just as bad on the invasion front.

Norman is the same word as Norseman, just filtered through a different language.

In old chronicles the word norseman, noorman, norman are used interchangeable in the 9th century - complicated of course by the fact that those works were written in Latin.

The name Normandy is used for those area's where those Norman (Norsemen in English) settled down. The term Frisian Normandy has been used for the 9th century rule here.

The fact that William the Bastard invaded England with his French name, doesn't really change the common root of the word that in German, Dutch and French was used without the 's', which is just a difference in dialect.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
May 19th, 2017 6:16am
In British history are usually presented as coming out of the blue descending on their coasts, while their appearance is in fact closely linked to the stretching might of the Franks when they conquered the Saxons and Frisians.

The leader of the Saxon resistance in the late 8th century was married to a daughter of a Danish king, and had been in exile there, so the Danes knew the danger of Christian slaughter.

When Charlemagne reached the border stream the Eider, the Danes started raids in Northern Germany to force the Franks and conquered Saxons to divert forces to the coastal defence.

When Charlemagne died, his son soon got in trouble with his own sons, who wanted more power for themselves. So Lothar, from Italy, began scheming with Danish princes to plunder the Rhine delta to hurt his father Louis.

After Lothar got power in his central kingdom of Lotharingia, he was reminded of these services and forces to hand over the administration of Frisia to them.

By then, the Danes had got the taste of plunder, piracy and coastal raids in the North Sea, and started visiting the British Isles.

Other Vikings from Norway joined the fun.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
May 19th, 2017 7:43am
The Vikings actually settled in Britannia. The city of York got it's name from the more Danish word "Jorvik"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3rv%C3%ADk
Permalink Markowitch 
May 19th, 2017 8:31am
So how do you scheme from Italy with Viking pirates?

A Danish pretender King had sought refuge with the Emperor, and while preparing for his return to the brawl in Denmark, he received a county to rule in East Frisia, bordering Denmark, while his sons became guests/hostages at the Emperor's court.

So the young Lothar grew up with two Danish princes, who would scheme with him against his father.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
May 19th, 2017 11:04am

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