I keep hearing about this Geocities thing. Maybe some day I will try it.

The Russians are a lot smarter than US

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/russias-plot-against-the-west-214925

The Road to a Free Europe Goes Through Moscow

"Moscow desires nothing less than a reversal of the momentous historical processes begun in 1989, when Central and Eastern Europeans peacefully reclaimed their freedom after decades of Russian-imposed tyranny. For President Vladimir Putin, who witnessed the downfall of Russia’s empire as a KGB officer stationed in East Germany, and for whom the Soviet Union’s collapse was “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,” this revulsion for everything that 1989 represents is deeply felt. "


And it all it took on the US side was buying off the GOP. Sad.
Permalink Remember 
March 18th, 2017 11:28am
I don't know if they really want to get all satellites back under their wings. They were unable even to bring Belarus back into the fold completely, despite all the advantages they hold over them.
Permalink GrumpyOldMan 
March 18th, 2017 11:33am
The Russians are playing 3D chess while everyone else is playing checkers. Their use of fake news and sowing seeds of doubt has been amazing.
Permalink Is Pegular Moron a fry cook? 
March 18th, 2017 12:15pm
"I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest."

Winston Churchill
Permalink GrumpyOldMan 
March 18th, 2017 12:24pm
I think the problem America has is that it's become so big and so involved with almost everything going on in the world, that it's hard to define what "American national interest" is. Almost any policy choice by the US government is going to benefit one, and hurt another section of American society.
Permalink GrumpyOldMan 
March 18th, 2017 12:26pm
A europe dominated by russia is economic death for the west. So that's against US interests, don't you think?
Permalink Remember 
March 18th, 2017 12:31pm
As long as Russia is a capitalist country, the US may as well trade with them as with Germany or France.
Permalink Yoda 
March 18th, 2017 12:32pm
Russia is not a capitalist country. It's a Petroarchy ruled by tsar with the economic output of a few small US states. Aligning with Russia is a disaster that you could only want if you were getting paid. Like trump and company.
Permalink Remember 
March 18th, 2017 12:37pm
You make nuances into opposites, Remember.

Russia has an economy with which one can trade. That is the capitalist principle, not about how the president is elected. Which is by elections in Russia by the way, with a real majority for Putin.

Why Russians are voting for Putin?
Why are Americans voting for Trump?
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
March 18th, 2017 12:44pm
"Russia is not a capitalist country."

It has a bloody stock exchange. Of course it is.
Permalink Yoda 
March 18th, 2017 1:34pm
Russia feels threatened by NATO, the EU and especially by the expansion of NATO. To minimize the threats that they perceive, weakening NATO & the EU are important. One of the things they feel threatened by is what we call "democracy". So they feel threatened by people who want "democracy" in Russia. One of the ways they minimize the internal perceptions of the threats posed by "democracy" is to hype up news that goes basically "hey, democracy doesn't work over there either, so why expect it here".

Much of the "populism" is a resurgence of naziism. Much of it comes from people in countries that can speak from experience "who is worse, Hitler or Stalin?"

One of the places this article goes off the rails into fantasy is the line: 
>A genuinely democratic Russia would feel no threat from Europe, and thus lack the impulse to debase and disrupt it.

This sort of goalpost moving and no-true-scotsmanism is fantastic. One of the things it flies past is by ignoring what "genuinely democratic" actually means. Another of the things it flies past is actual history.

We in the west have treated Russia like shit: when it was called the Soviet Union, and after it collapsed into its constituent states. There is no possible way that anyone in Russia could think that the West is not out to "get them" some how. No amount of appeasement to western governments has ever sufficed. The Russians get it. I get why they're maneuvering to make the threat smaller. I don't have to like it.
Permalink Pie is a lot better than ... 
March 18th, 2017 1:37pm
"A genuinely democratic Russia would feel no threat from Europe"

And a unicorn would feel no threat from a virgin. The trouble is, we have never seen a unicorn, neither have we ever seen a democratic Russia. So it's kinda hard to speculate about what it would or would not feel.

But its geopolitical interests would still be pretty much the same: they would take access to Black Sea and the Baltic pretty seriously.
Permalink Yoda 
March 18th, 2017 1:39pm
"Russia feels threatened by NATO, the EU and especially by the expansion of NATO. To minimize the threats that they perceive, weakening NATO & the EU are important. One of the things they feel threatened by is what we call "democracy". So they feel threatened by people who want "democracy" in Russia."

The problem is made worse by the fact that in the 1990s, the "democrats" in Russia looted it pretty thoroughly, giving Western-style democracy a bad name. And then the West massively interfered in 1996 presidential elections to make sure Yeltsin is reelected, ignoring him manipulating the vote count (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_presidential_election,_1996#Campaign).

On the other hand, Russia feels remorse that it can't bully the Poles, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks and Ukrainians any more. Boo hoo.
Permalink Yoda 
March 18th, 2017 1:43pm
> It has a bloody stock exchange. Of course it is.

And a unicorn would like to penetrate a virgin.
Permalink Remember 
March 18th, 2017 2:01pm
You stopped making sense to me.
Permalink Yoda 
March 18th, 2017 2:03pm
A Lot of trouble can be tracked back to the voucher privatization of USSR property. You can't have capitalizm without private ownership, but starting a firesale was not the way to do it.

Everything was om sale. The collective effort of the whole USSR for 10 billion USD in blackmarket vouchers.
Permalink Markowitch 
March 18th, 2017 3:19pm
You brought up unicorns and virgins. Where do you think it was going to go?
Permalink Remember 
March 18th, 2017 3:24pm
True. Silly me.
Permalink Yoda 
March 18th, 2017 3:30pm
A lump of dog shit is smarter than Remember.
Permalink Board Boasterroaster 
March 18th, 2017 9:02pm
They want the soviet block back? Garbage!

The Russian elite does not want to live in an isolated country, they want to put their loot in a western bank, have a big mansion in Spain and send the kids to school in Britain.
Permalink OyOyOy 
March 19th, 2017 12:46am
It doesn't matter what the elite thinks. It matters what the Tzar thinks. This is Russian political philosophy since the XVIIth century.
Permalink Yoda 
March 19th, 2017 5:46am
Putin isn't a Tsar and not a general secretary - he is a president of a country that depends on energy exports. Ruble is down when the price of gas is falling. That's it.
Permalink OyOyOy 
March 19th, 2017 6:10am
And Tzarist Russia depended on exports of wheat, timber, tar and pitch. It's been always like that.

You don't know enough Russian history to understand it.
Permalink Yoda 
March 19th, 2017 10:12am
> A lump of dog shit is smarter than Remember.

Then how could you tell?
Permalink Remember 
March 19th, 2017 11:20am
The Soviet union had a ruling ideology, in post soviet Russia the Ruble is Ruling - that's one mighty systemic difference.
Permalink OyOyOy 
March 19th, 2017 11:23am
A lump of dog shit has zero intelligence.

  Remember has less intelligence than dog shit.

      Therefore Remember has negative intelligence.

When faced with a multiple choice question, Remember will deliberately choose the most wrong answer.
Permalink Sangamon 
March 19th, 2017 11:25am
Don't be rediculous.
Permalink Remember 
March 19th, 2017 11:51am
Don't be silly.
Permalink Remember 
March 19th, 2017 11:51am
Shame you can't spell either.

What an idiot.
Permalink Sangamon 
March 19th, 2017 11:53am
> Delete post

Much like your typical trumpbot you avoid anything of substance. A spelling flame. Oh my. I'm devistated.
Permalink Remember 
March 19th, 2017 12:07pm

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