I keep hearing about this Amazon thing. Maybe some day I will try it.

You guys are dream killers!

If I or someone suggest buying real estate for an investment.... you post all kinds of traps and issues.

If someone suggests creating a software project.....there are almost all negative answers.  (i.e. you're wasting your time unless you get lucky)

It's been said that software consulting is a pain in the ass and far more trouble than it's worth.

The dude that cashed out his 401k said it's a scam (basically saying the stock market is a scam) and nobody disagrees.

Most high paying techie jobs are all super long hours in open offices and more trouble then they are worth.

MBAs (and pretty much all grad degrees) are a waste of time (there hasn't been one of those threads in a while, heh)

Data Science is a fad and not worth learning unless you're already a statistician.

It's been posted that most jobs in this industry suck.

Don't make too much money or you will price yourself out of the market.

The industry sucks but you can't change careers past age 30 or 35.

Not saying that any of you are wrong.  Most of you are right!

Seems that we are not in an economic environment where you just can't get ahead anymore (unless you get lucky) if you don't already have a lot of money.
Permalink Tom 
March 17th, 2017 4:28pm
Yeah you're fucked, have you only just realised?
Permalink Sangamon 
March 17th, 2017 4:29pm
Sangamon, you remind me of a guy in the movie Taxi Driver that tells the main character that same line lol.
Permalink Tom 
March 17th, 2017 4:34pm
How is telling you to take a year off and see the world being a dream killer?
Permalink Sangamon 
March 17th, 2017 4:36pm
Hey Tom, when I comment on shit I share things from my own personal real life experience.

This is in contrast to people who post pie in the sky speculation based on nothing.

So Tom if you want to post your amazing great experiences with Real Estate, post them. Post your REAL DATA.

I've had a few great experiences too. But since I've lived in the real world a lot, I also know about the pitfalls.

What the fuck is your problem, "Tom", with sharing this valuable empirical data?
Permalink Pegular Roaster 
March 17th, 2017 4:43pm
Here's a counterpart.

A long time ago I bought an excellent nice property in a hot part of the Bay Area for $135k. The market was totally flat  for years. A decade later, the market heated. I decided to sell. Real estate agent told me I couldn't get more than $160k MAX. I argued, but she told me she was a pro with decades of experience. So I stupidly listed at that. I got a bunch of "non-serious" buyers. Eventually I relisted at $500k and sold ONE DAY LATER.
Permalink Pegular Roaster 
March 17th, 2017 4:47pm
You ain’t gonna believe this, but you used to fit right here.

I’d hold you up to say to your mother, “This kid’s gonna be the best kid in the world. This kid’s gonna be somebody better than anybody I ever knew.” And you grew up good and wonderful. It was great just watching you, every day was like a privilege. Then the time come for you to be your own man and take on the world, and you did. But somewhere along the line, you changed. You stopped being you. You let people stick a finger in your face and tell you you’re no good. And when things got hard, you started looking for something to blame, like a big shadow.

Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain’t all sunshine and rainbows. It’s a very mean and nasty place and I don’t care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain’t about how hard ya hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done! Now if you know what you’re worth then go out and get what you’re worth. But ya gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain’t where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody! Cowards do that and that ain’t you! You’re better than that!
Permalink Rocky Balboa 
March 17th, 2017 4:57pm
You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it. It was you, Charley.
Permalink Terry Malloy 
March 17th, 2017 5:03pm
> Not saying that any of you are wrong.  Most of you are right!

Eh, there's a kernel of truth to all of those things but they're not the entire story.  Depressed sadsacks tell a lot of self-fulfilling prophesies.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
March 17th, 2017 5:26pm
I think I tend to post contrarily.

I have great regard for my tech job.  It sure beats turning a wrench like I did in my younger years.
Permalink Legion 
March 17th, 2017 5:40pm
Coding is a good job and it pays more than McDonalds, however it doesn't generally have a good path to advancement.
Permalink Sangamon 
March 17th, 2017 5:46pm
Here we go with that "advancement" BS again!

I don't want to be in management!

And to continue the comparison, what "advancement" could I have expected if I had remained a mechanic?
Permalink Legion 
March 17th, 2017 5:51pm
> Coding is a good job and it pays more than McDonalds, however it doesn't generally have a good path to advancement.

You're working at the wrong company if being a coder is a career dead end for you.  Or you're not nearly as good as you think you are.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
March 17th, 2017 6:42pm
>advancement

If you don't advance, you're going to look stupid applying for individual contributor roles past ago 40.

>overpriced

If your salary is too high, people will reject you for demanding too much salary.  If your salary is too low, people will assume there must be something wrong with you.

>401(k)

That guy was an idiot who didn't have enough after-tax savings.

>consulting

As long as you're billing hourly, you're going to have the same type of problems as an employee.

>start a product-based business

It is very likely you will put in a lot of effort for negligible sales.  It is possible to earn a decent living without hitting a homerun.

>open offices

A lousy trend that's everywhere nowadays.

>real estate

Unless you put in a lot of hours and are an active landlord, it won't be worth it.  One deadbeat tenant can ruin your profits.

>chasing fads

You might get lucky.  You might find yourself in 1-3 years competing with every other idiot who chased the fad.

If there was some magic tech stack that guaranteed a stable career, then everyone would learn it and then it wouldn't be worth anything.

>most jobs suck

Yes, but you only need to find one non-sucky place.  It's hard, but doable.  Go into most interviews expecting to be treated like a loser who can't do anything, and you won't be disappointed.
Permalink FSK 
March 17th, 2017 8:18pm
You can't take much seriously here, it's the underbelly of the internet.

Einstein gets denounced as a hack here, by minds far greater than his (not).
Permalink Bluebeard 
March 18th, 2017 12:19am
All the regulars here are loosers, how can you be anything but a looser if you hang out all day on a forum like cot?
Permalink Send private email OyOyOy 
March 18th, 2017 6:49am
The responses here are proof again of the saying that it's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask from permission (your boss, your wife, your family). You don't need permission from friends but if you ask them they'll mock and demoralize you, so if you're an action man you tell them 'I did', not 'should I do?'.
Permalink Io 
March 18th, 2017 10:06am
>forgiveness vs permission

Not always true.  For example, suppose a journalist writes something false about the project you're working on.  If you contact them directly to correct them (without going through the PR department), you will likely get fired.
Permalink FSK 
March 18th, 2017 2:05pm
We're not dream-killers.

We're simply advising you of the hazards, so you don't blindly drive over them.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
March 20th, 2017 5:04pm

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