More on that $500 / month
Main problem is that here, like in the US, these money don't buy a full time developer. Not even a lousy, do-exactly-how-told one.
Purchasing parity ratio helps a bit: it's like paying $1000 somewhere in the midwest.
One option would be to hire half time (4h a day). The other, to hire in India.
February 16th, 2017 10:59am
Maybe 4h / day in India? By purchasing parity, that would be $4000 in the midwest.
February 16th, 2017 11:01am
What you're talking about is less than Indian developers make in India.
February 16th, 2017 11:03am
Most recent salary survey of india shows a developer makes an average of 711,652 rupees annually. That's $10,621 USD.
February 16th, 2017 11:05am
Also, that is how much they are paid by their Indian employer. The rate you will pay that Indian employer will be significantly higher.
February 16th, 2017 11:06am
There would be a tremendous advantage to hire locally as I could reuse the guy for software contracts that I plan as a side thing to my side thing of hiring a guy. And develop a full software house, product-based. There's a lot of work from either EU or US but unless you show them something, you've got no chance.
Businesses only contract with businesses. I gotta exploit our competitive advantage while it lasts, although it's late stage. And that advantage is, cost. We're still relatively cheap but that's changing.
February 16th, 2017 11:09am
>> Stop blabbering here, you idiot and start coding.
Dr H, I've coded some 50k lines of code so far and reached a threshold where I need to hire to support this further. I'll still code but can't cover everything I have in mind in reasonable time with the amount of spare time I got.
It's hard but I think I'll better use that time by telling others what to do. And paying them.
February 16th, 2017 11:13am
Sure if I could hire a top developer locally for $500/mo I for sure would be farming him out locally and be a body shop.
Fantastic plan, assuming I can find such a person. Or 10. Or 100.
There's a severe IT talent shortage. Just not enough top notch people that will work 168 hours a month for $500 total including taxes and overhead.
February 16th, 2017 11:15am
I keep getting better and I found a niche but to do shit properly I'd need a year unstressed. Year that I don't have working two jobs but I can pay for.
As Warren Buffet put it, if you can't find a way to make your money work for you while you're sleeping, you're gonna die working.
February 16th, 2017 11:16am
Find someone else who needs a developer for around the same price and hire one together to share.
Kenny the Robot
February 16th, 2017 11:22am
>> Just not enough top notch people that will work 168 hours a month for $500 total.
Amen to that :)
But talented people do exist. In far less quantities than spineless drones that would do the same should you pay them $400 in India or $4000 in the US.
Obviously this ain't easy but this doesn't mean it's not possible. I'm one of the people you could buy for $500 back in 2000. In fact noone offered "that much", my generous employer gave me $200.
February 16th, 2017 11:25am
Do you want real advice or are we just screwing around like usual here?
If you really want to run a body shop and make a lot of money, you can, but not the way you are talking.
February 16th, 2017 12:18pm
>> Do you want real advice or are we just screwing around like usual here?
Definitely not screwing around, I'm sick of that.
This time I'm up to making real money and I almost can feel the smell.
OK, what would be your strategy?
February 16th, 2017 2:01pm
You are in Romania.
You: speak english, understand american/english culture, are a competent developer able to accurately evaluate developer skills when hiring.
Current average developer salary in Romania is $25,033.
You can only hire an average developer for that rate.
So you offer $50,000 with full benefits. That's $25/hr cost for 200 hrs a year.
You bill at $80-$175/hr, depending on specific skills needed.
You become rich.
February 16th, 2017 2:09pm
Well, that's generally my plan too: charge more in order to be able to pay more in order to be able to deliver higher quality.
There's only one problem: maybe higher quality is not necessary.
February 16th, 2017 2:13pm
Fuck off, you are a retard and don't get it.
The key is not you charging more.
The key is you paying more.
You ready to pay $50,000 to your local Romanian guys?
If you aren't, you're a loser, and stop talking, you're wasting my time.
February 16th, 2017 2:32pm
A guy has some of the attributes needed to succeed. But not all of them. He's a loser. He'll always be a loser.
February 16th, 2017 2:33pm
No, I'm not ready. I'm as ready as you are in paying $250k to your superstars, genius.
If you were doing yourself a tenth of what you're trolling others, you wouln't be wasting your time with losers on some obscure board.
February 16th, 2017 2:43pm
February 16th, 2017 2:45pm
It somehow escaped me that if I had $50k to pay 5 developers for 5 years, I would get rich. Maybe because if I had that resources I'd already be rich?
February 16th, 2017 2:55pm
God bless the child, that's got its own, that's got its own.
February 16th, 2017 2:59pm
>>Current average developer salary in Romania is $25,033.
>>You can only hire an average developer for that rate.
So find a fresh grad that's brilliant and has a good work ethic but maybe has a quality that makes him a difficult hire because of prejudice.
Kenny the Robot
February 16th, 2017 5:05pm
OP - If your business is only viable if you can hire a competent programmer for $500/month, then you don't have a viable business.
If you try to hire someone for $500/month, you will need to spend so much time checking their work that it won't be worth your time. And if you do spend time training them to be a competent programmer, they'll switch jobs as soon as possible.
Your options are:
1. Do the work yourself.
2. Find a different idea where you can afford to pay market rates.
For example, for my game development ideas, I'm *NOT* spending money on other people until I get revenue to justify it.
February 16th, 2017 6:59pm
Sure, I could pay a top developer $50,000 a year and bill them at $175/hr.
But I have a better plan. I will hire an acceptably good developer for $500/month and bill them at $175/hr.
That is more profit for me, and a better business model.
I'm surprised people here can't do the math on this.
February 16th, 2017 7:36pm
If it was that easy to hire someone for $500/month and rebill them for $175/hr, then every outsourcing project ever would be a smashing success.
February 16th, 2017 10:02pm
They ARE smashing successes, up until the time something delivered has to WORK, and then they're just a smash.
February 17th, 2017 11:36am