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Caste

While riding the train I looked around and I thought a lot of these immigrants are from English-speaking, solid, quality countries.  Why come to America?

Then I thought, well because there are caste systems and class systems that don't allow them to improve their lot/wealth/education whatever.

Then I thought, but America has a caste system.  We just all pretend it doesn't exist.

So now I'm confused.  Why do people come to America?  Why not Sweden or France or Britain or Canada?  What's so special about being American?  Is it the myth?
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 6th, 2007 11:03pm
It's not an either/or though. Plenty of people also immigrate to Britain, France, Germany, Sweden, Canada, wherever. You only happen to  see the people that came to America.

So I moved from the UK to America. Why you ask? Because I got a job offer, and the job was here. Moving to a different country seemed like an exciting prospect, a chance to travel, a chance to experience a different culture. They say that travel broadens the mind, and actually living in another country is the ultimate way to travel.
Permalink Send private email bon vivant 
June 6th, 2007 11:16pm
people _do_ go all over.  there is a constant movement of people all around the globe.


heaps of americans come here to new zealand for instance.
Permalink grand sphincter 
June 6th, 2007 11:20pm
"Then I thought, but America has a caste system.  We just all pretend it doesn't exist.

So now I'm confused.  Why do people come to America?"

Probably because it's still freer.  Go to Europe to see if it's less casteful than here, *then* report back your findings.
Permalink Send private email LinuxOrBust 
June 7th, 2007 4:39am
Your confused?

Its all about money
Permalink what are you reading for? 
June 7th, 2007 6:20am
"Go to Europe to see if it's less casteful than here, *then* report back your findings." Someone did:

"...intergenerational mobility in Britain is of the same order of magnitude as in the US, but that these countries are substantially less mobile than Canada and the Nordic countries."

From a report called "Intergenerational Mobility in Europe & North America". 
( http://www.suttontrust.com/annualreports.asp )
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June 7th, 2007 7:23am
intergenerational? is that caste?
Permalink $-- 
June 7th, 2007 7:28am
If you're poor in some 3rd world shit hole, you'll go where-ever better you can get into.
Permalink s 
June 7th, 2007 8:59am
Yeah but I know people go to other countries, and I know 3rd world people find America better than their home.

I'm asking why do people from good countries come here.  I don't see the point--a job, okay.  Other than that?  No way.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 7th, 2007 10:45am
So I think that perceived caste systems are what drive people to move.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 7th, 2007 10:45am
>or Canada?

We've gone from 25 million, to 30 million, to 32 million, all while having a less-than replacement birthrate.

So yeah, a lot of people are coming to Canada. Something like 60% of Toronto's population wasn't born in Canada.
Permalink DF 
June 7th, 2007 11:10am
I'd consider moving to Canada, if it wasn't so fucking cold.  But I'd never move to the US.

The thing is, I know the US very well.  That's why I wouldn't move there. 

But if I had only seen the advertisements, then I wouldn't know what the US is really like, and my opinion might be different.
Permalink s 
June 7th, 2007 12:26pm
The USA only sounds bad because of the all the screwed up things in the system. But the reality is that the USA is a very nice place to live. There are plenty of screwed up things in the UK too -- it's certainly no utopia compared to America.
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June 7th, 2007 2:29pm
Well, the US would be way above India, anywhere in Africa and much of the rest of world. And I'll give you that it's not all bad.  But having been to pretty much every major American city, and spent quite some time over there, no I wouldn't want to live anywhere in the US.